Believe me, you are biased concerning the War.
Calling me a child makes you nothing else except looking stupid.
Dude, I'm a part of the country that is fighting it. Of course I'm going to be biased, mate. But what have you really said about the war that I should respond to? Iunno, something about a comic strip. I'm talking about our next president here and how they're going to handle the war. And, holy shit, I wasn't even talking to you, was talking to that kid Nemesis. Why would I call you a kid when you offered a little substance to this thread? I'm talking about the ....sigh nvm.
I bet you never had a hard time getting food on ur shelf (neither did i tbh), but i know allot of people who had.(my mom for example) I'm not a commie or a hippy or anything but i dont think all the money you make should be kept for yourself. There are loads of people who need money just to be able to have a roof over their head or to keep from eating fongus infested bread. If you're a hard worker that's fine, you deserve your fair cut of working hard and getting a nice new tv now and then. But what about the people who do not had the chances you had? Maybe the phrase "winner takes all" worked in industrial times but right now it's cutting off the majority of the people.
I think you understand the word patriroism in another way than I do (mainly becouse ur a yank ofrcouse). My opinion is that it's another word for being noble to other people (in your country), not how cool you can look holding you nation's flag.
You don't think all the money you make should be kept for yourself?? You believe the government has some right to it? Because THAT is what I'm talking about. The government taxing you and then sending it to the person who HAS no tax liability. It is called income redistribution, it is a socialist tenant, and we all know how socialism has gone in the past (hopefully we all know). If you want to help your fellow man, you donate to a charity, you donate your clothes that don't fit, you donate to canned food drives etc. Barack Obama wants to spread the wealth around. He is punishing success. I understand, folks, that he wants to help the poor, but Robin Hood died a long time ago.
Patriotism is love of COUNTRY. Trying to look cool holding your country's flag is vanity. Look, man, for your knowledge, the vice presidential running mate of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, has defined patriotism as paying higher taxes. He's saying that someone who pays more taxes than someone else loves their country more. How can you not acknowledge that this is a crock?
EDIT: 10 yr old EU kids should stay out of this topic.
It's cool you guys want to fix up iraqs problem but fix the ones in ur own country first
(overconsumption/fear for muslims/and the recent bad economy)
Im 19 btw
People, if you're not a 10 year old EU kid, than I'm not talking to you. Jesus christ. We are fixing problems in our own country AND fighting a war on terror at the same time. We're that good, lawl.
Votes are about voting the guy you think will accomplish most, previous accomplishments are just one of many indicators on which a vote should be based.
Oh of course. I'd say a record is one of the biggest things to base your vote on. It shows what you've done and is an indicator of what you will do in the future. So based on each candidate's record, who do you think I should vote for?
McCain should lose for his stupid "OMG THE OTHER GUY IS A TERRORIST !!!1111 VOTE ME TO SAVE THE DAY" Commercials.
Since when has McCain called him a terrorist? How can you deny the relationship that Obama has with Ayers? PEOPLE, read up, Ayers is an UNREPENTANT terrorist. A man who bombed the Capital and the Pentagon and said he wished he'd done more on Sept. 11th. Obama launched his political career in his living room. He sat on a board and created legislation with him. He wrote a blurb in his book. And you're telling me there is not some connection there? A connection that seriously questions Obamas ability to judge!? Cmon.
Looking at the US election campaign from EU-viewpoint I have to say this whole thing looks just ridicolous.
Just to name a few retarded phrases/keywords that came up until now:
"Football Mom Paulin"
Country first, Change, and Patriotism are retarded phrases? "Football Mom Paulin" isn't even the right phrase, genius. Sigh.
"Joining the armed services... THAT is patriotism".
No it's not. Risking to get shot because some retard thought it was a good idea to start a war in Iraq is just retarded. Those people responsible for declaring war should be joining the frontlines themselves, after all there are enough other Politicians in backup so you can easily replace those who die. Also losing politicians isn't that bad, after all that job doesn't require too much skill.
Man, I can't even talk to you. And I see Bigfoot down there, thinking you're hilarious, and you people are calling ME biased!? There are people out there fighting for their country. They are called patriots. They aren't cowards like you.
DarknesS: I would love to have a voting system for posts here - you would get a A+ for it. (Together with Tjens - there for a change
But Spung de-classified himself with some BS he wrote.
How do you respond to his ties with Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko etc? [...] How do you plan to his statement saying Iran and Venezuela are tiny countries that pose no threat to us? How do you respond to his wanting to meet with these dictators without preconditions!?
First one made me laugh. Shows that Spung doesn't even seem to read newspapers except for the republican based ones (otherwise he would have noticed that some ppl do change in their lifes)
...I de-classify myself? Wtf does that even mean? It doesn't SHOW that I only read "republican based papers" whatever those are. It shows that you BLINDLY believe these relationships are minimized. William Ayers. Do you know who that is? Did you read what I said above? Did you see the world UNREPENTANT? William Ayers wished he had done more. And Barack Obama only denounces him when it's politically expedient! Obama was his friend. He was, or probably is, the FRIEND of an anti-American terrorist. He was, or probably still is, the friend of an anti-American racist pastor. Look man, I'm NOT being extreme here man. These are legitimate questions to ask of the man who could very well be the next President of the United States. Not to be mean, man, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that. Like you said, you lived in a dictatorship for years.
Second one is the plain truth.
Whatever, man. Now you're just getting lazy in your arguments, or you're a complete hypocrite for calling me biased. Do you know what Iran wants to do to Israel, our very strong ally in the Middle East? Do you know that Ahmadinejad has called Israel a "stinking corpse"? Barack Obama is saying this country doesn't pose a threat to us! I would expect that from a rookie politician, not the man who could very well be the leader of the free world.
3rd one is called open diplomacy and THE argument against terrorism because the "dicators" can't tell their people that the USA raised unacceptable preconditions. Thats true diplomacy at it is _supposed_ to work.
Man, I don't really know what you mean here. Diplomacy is not meeting with our enemies without preconditions. The way McCain wants to enact diplomacy is the right way: putting enough pressure on the Iranians by joining with our allies, imposing significant, tough sanctions to modify their behavior, thus, hopefully getting them to abandon their quest for a nuclear weapons.
For me the topic is more or less done unless someone really raises a few things that are worth a discussion. Spung at least doesn't seem to be as free (in the sense of making/changing a decision) as he needs to be to continue this debate with him. ^^
I need to change my mind in order to continue this conversation with you? Man, you've BARELY even refuted what I've said besides going off on random tangents, talking about military action, comic strips. You've admitted you didn't even read what I've completely said. How do I need to change? lol....
P.S. No one has posted any of Barack Obama's accomplishments, yet. I'll keep waiting.