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« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2008, 10:04:51 am »

again - go to some US politics forum if you really wanna have "serious" chat / debate.

This is
a) the Off topic / chat section (aka mainly spam and fun)
b) a game forum
c) a forum mainly used by EU based players (that don't care / aren't fully informed about everything / have an outside view on things / etc.)

so don't be surprised if you have "10 yr old EU kids" replying in this thread.

Don't get me wrong - i'm not against a serious thread, but keep the original purpose / main usergroup of this forum in mind.

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« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2008, 11:56:07 am »

again - go to some US politics forum if you really wanna have "serious" chat / debate.

This is
a) the Off topic / chat section (aka mainly spam and fun)
b) a game forum
c) a forum mainly used by EU based players (that don't care / aren't fully informed about everything / have an outside view on things / etc.)

so don't be surprised if you have "10 yr old EU kids" replying in this thread.

Don't get me wrong - i'm not against a serious thread, but keep the original purpose / main usergroup of this forum in mind.

Wow, I guess the "Chat about everything and anything" doesn't really mean chat about everything and anything.  So, lets see...if I want to have a serious discussion...in the OFF TOPIC section...it has to be about the original purpose of this forum...so it has to be about Savage?  Well, whatever.  I already do actively discuss this shit on "US politics forums", just thought I'd find out some of the reasons people are voting for Barack Obama.  Whatever, I guess next time I make a topic in the off topic section, I'll make it spam or something about Savage.  My bad.
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« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2008, 12:07:55 pm »



Dude, he's from Iraq..
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« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2008, 12:42:16 pm »

you didn't get my point... (or didn't want to)

what i was trying to tell you was simply:

if you start a thread about the US election in an EU based gaming forum, don't come around wondering that not all of the responses will be mature / serious / on topic / whatever...
it's not like chaning our minds here would change anything, as 99% of this forums community is a) not American, b) not of the legal age to go vote or c) both.

plus - i bet most of the ppl just read the questiion and in case the bothered to post an answer, they kept it short and simple and defenatly were not looking for a page-long discussion. for most of them it was just another thread like "what do you prefer: pita or pizza?".

for me this thread is like a "How to make a perfect steak" thread in the peta forums Wink - right intention - wrong place
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« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2008, 01:59:29 pm »

Spung, you / we can't prevent other people from posting since it's a forum about gaming - not about politics. tbh - I better stay out of this.
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« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2008, 04:17:43 pm »

Spung: Only a few short words about election discussions.

I have had discussions about Bush's re-election in a forum from a comic strip. There were guys that argued in a way like: Everyone wants us to not vote Bush. Because all world want to harm us, we should vote Bush because then these people didn't achive their goal.

Thats Stupidity and 10 year old behaviour. Believe me, I am somewhat older and I followed the whole debate(s) with some distance. If you are denying, that you are biased, then you are so much biased that you don't even get the emergency exit to reality any more. Why? Because we are all biased in the one or other direction. I lived in a dictatorship for years and know how it feels/looks like when truth is bend to fit wanted point of view.

Believe me, you are biased concerning the War.

I don't want to say more about that. I am not american. So I don't put too much effort into showing you another POV. I gave you a hint about an European one. Grab it and try to find the possible truth between our both POV's or let it be. Calling me a child makes you nothing else except looking stupid.

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« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2008, 04:28:42 pm »

Alright man, now here's where you lose me.  I said it in the last post.  Why should you punish success?  WHY, tell me WHY should the people who have worked hard for their own money, who have achieved success via their own hard work, be penalized only to send a check to the people who don't even have any tax liability!??  Additionally, your level of patriotism should NOT be defined how much you pay in taxes.  Does this mean that Joe Biden is more patriotic than I am?  Does this mean I'm not patriotic if I don't pay as much taxes as you do?  That's a crock.  Joining the armed services, mentoring children, teaching, even fuckin American themed BBQ's. THAT is patriotism.  NOT by how much you pay in taxes.

I bet you never had a hard time getting food on ur shelf (neither did i tbh), but i know allot of people who had.(my mom for example) I'm not a commie or a hippy or anything but i dont think all the money you make should be kept for yourself. There are loads of people who need money just to be able to have a roof over their head or to keep from eating fongus infested bread. If you're a hard worker that's fine, you deserve your fair cut of working hard and getting a nice new tv now and then. But what about the people who do not had the chances you had? Maybe the phrase "winner takes all" worked in industrial times but right now it's cutting off the majority of the people.

I think you understand the word patriroism in another way than I do (mainly becouse ur a yank ofrcouse). My opinion is that it's another word for being noble to other people (in your country), not how cool you can look holding you nation's flag.

Alright so I'm not going to go crazy here; you're obviously some war buff or something.  Just want to say Obama and Biden have been wrong on many things during this war.  You think we went in for oil.  We went into Iraq under the assumption that they held WMDs during a War on Terror.  Obviously it turned out not to be the case, but look at what the result is.  What we DO have now, is an additional ally in the Middle East, another dictator removed from power, a fledgling democracy, and 7 years and counting with no homeland terrorist attack.  It's obvious that until Petraeus and the surge took over, the war was mishandled terribly.  But at this point, our people cast their vote on who they believe will take us in the right direction abroad.  A freshman Senator with no visible Senatorial accomplishments?  Or a former POW, who has been to these places, who has spent years involved in foreign affairs within the Senate and who has proven he has an undying love for his country?  Not sure 'bout you mate, but I like the latter (you can't vote in our election anyway lawl).

EDIT: 10 yr old EU kids should stay out of this topic.

It's cool you guys want to fix up iraqs problem but fix the ones in ur own country first  Tongue (overconsumption/fear for muslims/and the recent bad economy)

Im 19 btw
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« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2008, 06:43:24 pm »

@Spung

1.
Votes are about voting the guy you think will accomplish most, previous accomplishments are just one of many indicators on which a vote should be based.
Also most Politicians turn out to be turds as President/... no matter what they previously accomplished - Some can be recognized as "mega turds" right from the start though (Bush).

2.
McCain should lose for his stupid "OMG THE OTHER GUY IS A TERRORIST !!!1111 VOTE ME TO SAVE THE DAY" Commercials.

3.
lol @ Palin for getting here e-Mail account "hacked".

4.
Looking at the US election campaign from EU-viewpoint I have to say this whole thing looks just ridicolous.
Just to name a few retarded phrases/keywords that came up until now:
"Country first"
"Joe Plumber"
"Change"
"Football Mom Paulin"
"Patriotism"

5.
"Joining the armed services... THAT is patriotism".
No it's not. Risking to get shot because some retard thought it was a good idea to start a war in Iraq is just retarded. Those people responsible for declaring war should be joining the frontlines themselves, after all there are enough other Politicians in backup so you can easily replace those who die. Also losing politicians isn't that bad, after all that job doesn't require too much skill.

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Reasons why you should vote McCain & Palin



Last but not least shouldn't the topic title be: "Spung is going to vote for McCain, if you vote for Obama Bin Laden you're nib !"
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« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2008, 08:21:39 pm »

DarknesS: I would love to have a voting system for posts here - you would get a A+ for it. (Together with Tjens - there for a change  Evil )

But Spung de-classified himself with some BS he wrote.
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How do you respond to his ties with Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko etc?  [...]  How do you plan to his statement saying Iran and Venezuela are tiny countries that pose no threat to us?  How do you respond to his wanting to meet with these dictators without preconditions!?
First one made me laugh. Shows that Spung doesn't even seem to read newspapers except for the republican based ones (otherwise he would have noticed that some ppl do change in their lifes)
Second one is the plain truth.
3rd one is called open diplomacy and THE argument against terrorism because the "dicators" can't tell their people that the USA raised unacceptable preconditions. Thats true diplomacy at it is _supposed_ to work.

For me the topic is more or less done unless someone really raises a few things that are worth a discussion. Spung at least doesn't seem to be as free (in the sense of making/changing a decision) as he needs to be to continue this debate with him. ^^

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« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2008, 09:14:17 pm »

meh be fair, you only liked our posts becouse we share the same viewpoint  Tongue
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« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2008, 11:00:40 pm »

Believe me, you are biased concerning the War.
Calling me a child makes you nothing else except looking stupid.

Dude, I'm a part of the country that is fighting it.  Of course I'm going to be biased, mate.  But what have you really said about the war that I should respond to?  Iunno, something about a comic strip.  I'm talking about our next president here and how they're going to handle the war.  And, holy shit, I wasn't even talking to you, was talking to that kid Nemesis.  Why would I call you a kid when you offered a little substance to this thread?  I'm talking about the ....sigh nvm.

I bet you never had a hard time getting food on ur shelf (neither did i tbh), but i know allot of people who had.(my mom for example) I'm not a commie or a hippy or anything but i dont think all the money you make should be kept for yourself. There are loads of people who need money just to be able to have a roof over their head or to keep from eating fongus infested bread. If you're a hard worker that's fine, you deserve your fair cut of working hard and getting a nice new tv now and then. But what about the people who do not had the chances you had? Maybe the phrase "winner takes all" worked in industrial times but right now it's cutting off the majority of the people.

I think you understand the word patriroism in another way than I do (mainly becouse ur a yank ofrcouse). My opinion is that it's another word for being noble to other people (in your country), not how cool you can look holding you nation's flag.

You don't think all the money you make should be kept for yourself?? You believe the government has some right to it?  Because THAT is what I'm talking about.  The government taxing you and then sending it to the person who HAS no tax liability.  It is called income redistribution, it is a socialist tenant, and we all know how socialism has gone in the past (hopefully we all know).  If you want to help your fellow man, you donate to a charity, you donate your clothes that don't fit, you donate to canned food drives etc.  Barack Obama wants to spread the wealth around.  He is punishing success.  I understand, folks, that he wants to help the poor, but Robin Hood died a long time ago.

Patriotism is love of COUNTRY.  Trying to look cool holding your country's flag is vanity.  Look, man, for your knowledge, the vice presidential running mate of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, has defined patriotism as paying higher taxes.  He's saying that someone who pays more taxes than someone else loves their country more.  How can you not acknowledge that this is a crock?

EDIT: 10 yr old EU kids should stay out of this topic.

It's cool you guys want to fix up iraqs problem but fix the ones in ur own country first  Tongue (overconsumption/fear for muslims/and the recent bad economy)

Im 19 btw

People, if you're not a 10 year old EU kid, than I'm not talking to you.  Jesus christ.  We are fixing problems in our own country AND fighting a war on terror at the same time.  We're that good, lawl.

@Spung

1.
Votes are about voting the guy you think will accomplish most, previous accomplishments are just one of many indicators on which a vote should be based.

Oh of course.  I'd say a record is one of the biggest things to base your vote on.  It shows what you've done and is an indicator of what you will do in the future.  So based on each candidate's record, who do you think I should vote for?

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McCain should lose for his stupid "OMG THE OTHER GUY IS A TERRORIST !!!1111 VOTE ME TO SAVE THE DAY" Commercials.

Since when has McCain called him a terrorist?  How can you deny the relationship that Obama has with Ayers?  PEOPLE, read up, Ayers is an UNREPENTANT terrorist.  A man who bombed the Capital and the Pentagon and said he wished he'd done more on Sept. 11th.  Obama launched his political career in his living room.  He sat on a board  and created legislation with him.  He wrote a blurb in his book.  And you're telling me there is not some connection there?  A connection that seriously questions Obamas ability to judge!?  Cmon.

4.
Looking at the US election campaign from EU-viewpoint I have to say this whole thing looks just ridicolous.
Just to name a few retarded phrases/keywords that came up until now:
"Country first"
"Joe Plumber"
"Change"
"Football Mom Paulin"
"Patriotism"

Country first, Change, and Patriotism are retarded phrases?  "Football Mom Paulin" isn't even the right phrase, genius.  Sigh.

5.
"Joining the armed services... THAT is patriotism".
No it's not. Risking to get shot because some retard thought it was a good idea to start a war in Iraq is just retarded. Those people responsible for declaring war should be joining the frontlines themselves, after all there are enough other Politicians in backup so you can easily replace those who die. Also losing politicians isn't that bad, after all that job doesn't require too much skill.

Man, I can't even talk to you.  And I see Bigfoot down there, thinking you're hilarious, and you people are calling ME biased!?  There are people out there fighting for their country.  They are called patriots.  They aren't cowards like you.

DarknesS: I would love to have a voting system for posts here - you would get a A+ for it. (Together with Tjens - there for a change  Evil )

But Spung de-classified himself with some BS he wrote.
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How do you respond to his ties with Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko etc?  [...]  How do you plan to his statement saying Iran and Venezuela are tiny countries that pose no threat to us?  How do you respond to his wanting to meet with these dictators without preconditions!?
First one made me laugh. Shows that Spung doesn't even seem to read newspapers except for the republican based ones (otherwise he would have noticed that some ppl do change in their lifes)

...I de-classify myself?  Wtf does that even mean?  It doesn't SHOW that I only read "republican based papers" whatever those are.  It shows that you BLINDLY believe these relationships are minimized.  William Ayers.  Do you know who that is?  Did you read what I said above?  Did you see the world UNREPENTANT?  William Ayers wished he had done more.  And Barack Obama only denounces him when it's politically expedient!  Obama was his friend.  He was, or probably is, the FRIEND of an anti-American terrorist.  He was, or probably still is, the friend of an anti-American racist pastor.  Look man, I'm NOT being extreme here man.  These are legitimate questions to ask of the man who could very well be the next President of the United States.  Not to be mean, man, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.  Like you said, you lived in a dictatorship for years.

Second one is the plain truth.

Whatever, man.  Now you're just getting lazy in your arguments, or you're a complete hypocrite for calling me biased.  Do you know what Iran wants to do to Israel, our very strong ally in the Middle East?  Do you know that Ahmadinejad has called Israel a "stinking corpse"?  Barack Obama is saying this country doesn't pose a threat to us!  I would expect that from a rookie politician, not the man who could very well be the leader of the free world.


3rd one is called open diplomacy and THE argument against terrorism because the "dicators" can't tell their people that the USA raised unacceptable preconditions. Thats true diplomacy at it is _supposed_ to work.

Man, I don't really know what you mean here.  Diplomacy is not meeting with our enemies without preconditions.  The way McCain wants to enact diplomacy is the right way:  putting enough pressure on the Iranians by joining with our allies, imposing significant, tough sanctions to modify their behavior, thus, hopefully getting them to abandon their quest for a nuclear weapons.


For me the topic is more or less done unless someone really raises a few things that are worth a discussion. Spung at least doesn't seem to be as free (in the sense of making/changing a decision) as he needs to be to continue this debate with him. ^^

I need to change my mind in order to continue this conversation with you?  Man, you've BARELY even refuted what I've said besides going off on random tangents, talking about military action, comic strips.  You've admitted you didn't even read what I've completely said.  How do I need to change?  lol....

P.S. No one has posted any of Barack Obama's accomplishments, yet.  I'll keep waiting.
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« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2008, 11:10:51 pm »

sounds like spung is one of these guys which support dropping bombs on children...
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« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2008, 11:45:38 pm »

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« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2008, 12:25:48 am »

As far as I can make out, the perfect solution here would be McCain for president. Strong and patriotic he will stand for the American dream, enforcing embargo's to terrorist treaths and laughing in the face of danger with iron wil and a solid hand. Diplomats will show treaties and tributes or GTFO. For the next 3 years untill he'll die of cancer and gets succesed by Tina Gey, oil runs out and China invades seattle ofcourse.

Now president Obama would be an exellent volanteer aswell. He'dd speak to the people in trust and goodwill and would be the person of choice for mothers and minoritys all over the country. He would enchage into foreigh diplomacy with caution and think about what is good for both partys. He will change the nation AND the world with the help of modern education and the 21th century generation. Until Iran notices the president's little heart and decides to throw nukes all over the freaking western hemisphere.

Truth is, squad will happen and there will be little change anyway. I blame modern sociaty, taking everything for granted and still demanding more. I mean why would you give you hard payed dollars to your govourment? All they do with the damn stuff is etiher build charity homes for illigal immigrants or throw it all into the military machine to bomb villages in the middle east (pick the one you like the most).

I can't pick any of these sides becouse they are to buzy fighting over what's right rather than working together and make stuff actually happen. But, I know this will won't happen in the next 100 years. If I really had to pick anyone, I'd pick Obama. He seems to understand the world needs to change, the problem is, he wants it too soon.
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