Savage XR & Heroes of Newerth Community

Like Nightmare stated, if Savage is ever to be revived or repopulated or whatever, it needs:

1) a role for new and casual plays besides veteran cannon fodder and monkit farming
2) buff reduce or rework in small games

The learning curve: Fair point and I agree.

The vets and new players: Thats the internet now, and that was the internet when savage first came out, imo, but there were enough players where the rules HAD to be enforced. Enforcing the rules now would just lead to a dead game unfortunately, because of the toxicity you talked about.

This game still appeals to a certain kinds of gamers, its just hard to find those gamers without blatantly advertising.

Idk.

The biggest barrier to growing the game population has always been two fold:

1. The learning curve. Savage is a hard game to learn. This is okay when there are a lot of new people all learning, but over the years whenever there were small influxes of new players, they only had one place to play - the server full of brutal veterans who had spent 10-15+ years mastering every aspect of the game. People aren't likely to stick around and learn a game if they get absolutely dunked on every single game. Which brings me to problem number 2...

2. The vets. I started played Savage in 2004. I was 16. I'm 33 damn years old now and over the years I saw this game die and be reborn and split a dozen times. It's been on life support for a long time but even before that, every time there was a small or medium influx of new players, the veteran community at large is.....not kind. Sure, there are some helpful people out there willing to teach and be patient. But for the most part, I watched new players hop into a game and get triple solo buffed on only for the vet to spam v76 and shit talk them. No wonder they leave.

Sadly, I don't know a solution to the above barriers. With regards to veteran toxicity though, if I'm being fair, the last time I remember a big streamer bringing an influx of players (Kripp), those players were 10x as toxic as some of the worst vets and made teaching them impossible.

As someone who grew up playing savage, I'd like to get the game going again too, I miss the full servers and grow tired of small skirmishes.
Here are my ideas:
1. Pitch to streamers, not a bad idea, if we hit the right streamer we might get the numbers going again.
2. Reddit/other social media. Reddit has loads of subreddits and even has one for older games.
If we got a few guys to bump the up arrow on a reddit post about savage in one of those forums it could draw some small attention.
3. Put videos on youtube: Some of those older videos have close to one hundred thousand views.

Those are my main ideas, open to suggestion. This games a part of my child hood, but more importantly, if i ever want to get good at this game, i need some targets, so lets make it happen guys. 

Might not be able to get it on Steam, but we don't need rights on the game to pitch it to streamers. I remember years ago when Kripp would stream it occasionally and fill a server and a few of us tried to go on there and teach them....they were belligerent teenage shits, but that's the crowd that packs games these days.

Ingame drk mentioned there is a fix for the under water damage script, and it would be helpfull if the solution would be posted on the forum so other mapmakers and hobbyists can learn from those solutions, thank

It works perfectly, thanks once again.

The flatpak install is so much easier: great job leading the charge on this, C.I.A.

Add i hope this will now work!

Thanks Groentjuh!

http://newerth.downloads.groentjuh.eu/ doesn't do HTTPS.

But given its importance... Well It's going to work in a few days! The cert exists!