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1  Savage XR / General Savage XR Discussion / Re: It's time for a big patch - XR 1.3! on: February 05, 2017, 01:09:42 pm
I have experienced 4 hits for demo A LOT in the last 5 months, the problem is certainly there. Doesnt matter with which unit I hit it, nor the level I am.

This is true. I saw this bug happening a lot, and it happened regularly (easily more than once per day). Some 4-5 months ago. I heard the same complaints from numerous other players. It happened both on Pulse and on GK.

What confuses me is that at some point over the span of these 4-5 months it went from "very regularly" to "very rarely". Not sure why; may be the frequency of this bug is my subjective perception based on my activity. I did gradually go inactive.
2  Newerth Hosted Competitions / PuG Cup / Re: Rules on: August 26, 2016, 03:33:33 am
@Gridfon: I check this part and try to add it to the rules.

Thanks! Wink
3  Newerth Hosted Competitions / PuG Cup / Re: Rules on: August 25, 2016, 09:59:01 pm
Can we use the fixed terrain exploit rules, as proposed by sorel?

Terrain: -Exploiting in this manner is defined as attempting by any means to reach areas that were clearly designed to be inaccessible (e.g. map walls, unclimbable mountains, places blocked out of the map's play area by props). Similarly, attempting to bypass an obstacle that is clearly designed to limit a players access to another area of the map (e.g. grimms wall) is also considered an exploit.

-Players who unintentionally end up in a situation that breaks the above rules (e.g. through damage blow-back) must return as directly as possible to their previous location or suicide, otherwise this is also considered an exploit.

-"Shimmying" (walking forward and repeatedly jumping to slowly climb upward) over buildings to get past them is allowed.
-However, it is not allowed for players to remain on top of a building to continue fighting. (1)
-Additionally, players are not allowed to place demolition charges on top of buildings. (2)

The only exception to conditions (1) and (2) is when the roof of a building is directly accessible to both teams by the means of taking a legal path within the map's play area that does not require "shimmying" (e.g. by dropping down from a hill that both teams can access)
4  Archive / General Discussion / Re: INFO: The Evolved Savage Roster on: June 24, 2016, 03:53:25 am
You realize it's just 4 more months until we can celebrate 10 years since the last post of this thread? Way to necro! Tongue

Tell us more about this. How do you celebrate 10-year anniversaries of old forum threads?
5  Newerth Hosted Competitions / Disputes / Re: Tiebreaker on: June 21, 2016, 09:45:29 am
    Warrior has tied with 1 point vs KS and Warrior vs KS ended in a tie. We have not played a tiebreaker, so this should put us on a shared seventh place with KS. Valli however disagrees in this post and on skype:
    [14:26:48] Groentjuh: Technically an incorrect final ranking
    [14:27:16] Groentjuh: Warrior and KS technically share #7
    [21:56:10] Valli: ^no
    [21:56:19] Valli: Warrior has the last spot
    [21:56:24] Valli: they did not attend the tiebreaker
    [21:57:33] Groentjuh: "If the direct match was a draw, tiebreakers will be allowed for determining the winner of shared places, at the end of the regular season."
    [21:57:51] Groentjuh: That does not state that I MUST play the tiebreaker.

    According to the rules, tied teams are allowed to play a tiebreaker. But the rules do not require them to play it:
    #12. Ladder position:
    • If the direct match was a draw, tiebreakers will be allowed for determining the winner of shared places, at the end of the regular season.

    -KS- could only be ranked higher in the case if the Warrior clan agreed to play the tiebreaker and then did not show up for it. However, no Warrior representatives accepted the offer to play the tiebreaker in the public forum threads. -KS- leaders (I spoke with Jegenrapo and sorel) do not claim that any Warrior representatives accepted the offer in private communication either.

    As a result, -KS- and Warrior should share the same rank in the final NSL ranking table. Telvek and valli, could you please update the rankings?

    On a side note, all of the above is mostly an unfortunate result of miscommunication and late scheduling. On the one hand, I know that certain Warrior members would love to play tiebreaker but the scheduling attempts only started 2-3 days ahead of the suggested match time, and it was impossible to make. On the other hand, seeing how things turned up, -KS- leaders confirmed that they don't mind sharing the same NSL rank with the Warrior clan. There is no hostility on either of the sides.
    6  Savage XR / General Savage XR Discussion / Re: Savage still balanced or? on: April 13, 2016, 03:47:51 pm
    Well, that cannot inherently be the source of the inbalance since its the same for both teams.
    But the teams are asymmetric, so you can not claim this.

    This stat is pretty meaningless; just think that kinixxx alone has been played 4416 times as of now - and we all know thats a heavily beast sided map due to the extreme cover for buildings and the vicinity of possible spawnpoints (SH to flag or Lair to flag).
    Any yet humans are leading on stats with 2250 wins against 1806 wins? A heavily beast sided map ought to show at least a slight bias towards the beast team in stats...

    I also hate the spawning system, that lets players back on the battlefield in waves every 30 secs. I think a fixed death timers (like in LoL) would be more logical. It is just stupid when you kill a defender of an outpost, he might respawn a few secs after. If a combat unit "dies" the enemy team should have a short, but realiable window to exploit the numbers advantage.
    But this gets us back to Tirza's initial point. As far as I can tell, the shorter respawn timers are more helpful for the beast team than for the human team.
    7  Newerth Hosted Competitions / Roster Regulation / Re: Knights of Savage on: April 11, 2016, 01:58:46 pm
    The (exception to the) rules for players with auth problems is here.

    P.S. In spite of the popular belief, all I am supposed to do is to help with disputes. I am not entitled to "allow" anyone to break the rules in advance. SavageBeard's case was discussed by clan representatives of all NSL clans, and the above link is the result of this discussion.
    8  Savage XR / General Savage XR Discussion / Re: Savage still balanced or? on: April 07, 2016, 10:35:38 pm
    Conclusion: It appears that beast are winning much more lately.
    That actually is inline with my feeling.

    Here are the recent stats. The stats are weird, since the human team seems to be stacked most of the time. I'm biased since I nearly never play in T1 anymore, but the reason for that is that for many years I used to always join the weaker team. Human stacks eventually made me a beast player (an ironic label for myself).

    The best explanation I heard recently is that - human players are much more likely to play for stats. Whereas beasts have a better incentive to play for the win.
    9  Announcements / Main Page News / Re: Savage 3 on: April 03, 2016, 07:38:41 am
    Then why can't I find an official announcement for it? I went to S2games homepage and there wasn't any mention of it. I tried a google search and again, reddit fan pages.

    If someone has a link to an official source, I would love to see it. I would love to allow myself to feel excited about this.

    I think that all we know this far is in this newerth forum thread (look for posts by S2Maliken and s2jesse; we do know that S2Maliken is the real one, since he's been around this forum for many years).
    10  Announcements / Main Page News / Re: Savage Resurrection Beta on: April 01, 2016, 10:16:33 pm
    It's the Maliken unit!
    11  Newerth Hosted Competitions / Newerth Savage League (NSL) / Re: INFO: Registered NSL Clans Quorum (CQ) on: March 07, 2016, 09:59:35 am
    i didnt notice that Registration already started.

    Nope, the registration has not started yet.
    As of now, only "preparations" have started. At this point, the clans that are represented in the Clans Quorum can discuss and change NSL rules and server settings. The sign ups for NSL will be opened on March 28 (according to valli's schedule post).

    P.S. Where can I got those drugs you are using?
    12  Newerth Hosted Competitions / Newerth Savage League (NSL) / Re: INFO: Registered NSL Clans Quorum (CQ) on: March 07, 2016, 08:40:21 am
    Calm down dude, Registration and everything will come soon, you or your leader will also get a PM when the time Comes...
    Nah, do not calm down, do not calm down!...

    Anyway, the Clans Quorum is an entity that is separate from NSLs. For example, the Pirate clan played in NSL6 without having any access to the Clans Quorum. If you follow Tasty's advice, and not care about applying to the Clans Quorum, then you might follow in their footsteps.

    Someone has to set up a vote in the Clans Quorum whether -KS- should be admitted (which is basically: whether they can be perceived as a serious clan, such us their ability to turn up for CWs with enough players). I suspect both Tasty and me could create such a vote, if only doing that would be as exciting as posting crap in this thread.
    13  Announcements / Main Page News / Re: Weekly PuG Match on: March 03, 2016, 12:03:38 am
    Server password is going to be announced in public servers.
    Announcing the password in public servers is a good idea to increase the server population on Sunday evenings. On the other hand, it will also mean that the public server will die at 19GMT. Overall, is that good or bad? It's hard to tell.

    But you should also consider posting the password somewhere here, in the forum (with a bit of delay if you wish). There is always someone sitting in public server specs and asking for a password, regardless of whether it's their clan match or just a PuG match. You will make these people happy.

    Furthermore, is a password even needed nowadays? The main reason to switch servers is because you want to enforce PuG rules, and you can not do that on a public server. The main reason a password was used in the past is to keep the newbs out; but we don't have a lot of newbs around anymore. If this claim is true, then the password would only split the (already small) population of players in two parts on Sunday evenings, only to keep out the 1-2 players who joined Savage for the first time that evening. There should be better ways to handle this, especially if you can get a ref password for the match server.

    Groentjuh's Match #2
    This seems to be a German server. You should consider using one of the UK servers (I believe those are #4 and #5) if you want to get more US players. As someone from US west coast, I get 30+ more ping on server #2, as compared to servers #4 or #5. Likewise, I get 40+ ping on public German servers (Pulse and G&G) as opposed to GK. For me this is the difference of Savage being "still playable" (<155 ping) vs. unplayable (185+ ping). I am an unlikely participant in PuG matches, so I am not advocating for myself here, but you might want to discuss this with other US players.
    14  Off Topic / Chat / Re: Apology to the Savage Community. on: January 29, 2016, 12:26:21 am
    Pls not, noone can handle 2 of them

    You mean Necro is actually Shagroth's son? :p
    15  Savage XR / General Savage XR Discussion / Where is @? on: January 24, 2016, 08:47:07 am
    I think some people might find this aging screenshot interesting (date: December 6).
    It would be interesting to get an up-to-date version of the overall game statistics:

    Latest stats on Groen's for the last 3 years.

    RACE.......WINS....Average Time
    beast.......8768.....20.72 min
    draw........2247.....36.69 min
    human.....6382.....22.24 min

    Beasts win 37% more games than humans.
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