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16  Newerth Hosted Competitions / Season Five (Locked) / Re: NM v Earth dispute. on: May 11, 2013, 11:42:37 am
So, I have checked everything myself and you are right, the evidence leads to the player Slayer, not -Ido-.

NM fielded an illegal player, who is also banned from this competition!

Clan NM receives 1 penalty point.

Both rounds will be valued as win for Earth, because of a forfeit win.

Best regards,
darkbread, NSL5 Disputes Admin
17  Archive / Savage XR Videos / Re: Sparta Remix (SMV) on: May 09, 2013, 11:52:48 am
haha awesome! option #2
18  Newerth Hosted Competitions / Season Five (Locked) / Re: NM v Earth dispute. on: May 09, 2013, 11:48:14 am
Sadly, I have not received any response from either valli or Tirza, so I can not verify this.

Best regards,
darkbread, NSL5 Disputes Admin
19  Newerth Hosted Competitions / Season Five (Locked) / Re: DA vs OM on: April 16, 2013, 01:46:01 pm
Got the confirmation that the player had the same IP in both rounds. Since he found his correct account in the second round there will be no punishment.

@ninja: Please keep in mind that you can search for usernames at the Stats Page.

Best regards,
darkbread, NSL5 Disputes Admin
20  Archive / Savage XR Videos / Re: Nyan Gerkat Racing (Savage mod) on: April 06, 2013, 07:38:49 pm
http://www.newerth.com/?id=maps&mid=1170
http://www.newerth.com/?id=maps&mid=1171
21  Archive / Server Forum / Re: ref abuse by ds - darkstar from DM aka demons on: March 22, 2013, 04:57:33 pm
and they keep deleting replies.
Because you are just posting quotes and add annoying gifs.
22  Announcements / Main Page News / Re: Savage XR Video: Savage Cry (by Nanaa) on: March 20, 2013, 02:12:35 pm
Me gusta
23  Newerth Hosted Competitions / Season Five (Locked) / Re: OMG Terra vs Warrior on: March 17, 2013, 01:33:11 pm
I have reviewed the serverdemo and you are right, rule #18 was broken.

#18. Commanders' spawning:
  • Commanders are allowed to spawn - but not with siege. If a team's commander does spawn with siege, the other team is given a forfeit win.

Clan Warrior's commander did spawn as siege unit and dealt damage to the enemies base.

Round 2 will be valued as win for Terra, because of a forfeit win.

Clan Warrior receives 1 penalty point.

Best regards,
darkbread, NSL5 Disputes Admin

24  Newerth Hosted Competitions / Season Five (Locked) / Re: Dispute against Terra in Terra vs Warrior on: March 17, 2013, 12:57:24 pm
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#4. Clanwar team size:
  • The minimum number of players per team in each match round: 7.
  • A team can still field as few as 5 or 6 players, but the other team is still entitled to field a full complement of 7 players.
  • Fielding 4 players or fewer results in a forfeit.

Terra had 5 players on the server at the 10 minute mark as your screenshot shows, so you could just have started the match.

Dispute rejected.

Best regards,
darkbread, NSL5 Disputes Admin
25  Newerth Hosted Competitions / Season Five (Locked) / Re: NSL5 DeMo vs Terra on: March 06, 2013, 01:44:10 pm
I have reviewed the serverdemo and you are right, rule #18 was broken. In fact, your sacs did not have the Stronghold low, but that is not relevant now.

#18. Commanders' spawning:
  • Commanders are allowed to spawn - but not with siege. If a team's commander does spawn with siege, the other team is given a forfeit win.

Clan Terra's commander did spawn as siege unit and dealt damage to the enemies base.
1 2

Round 2 will be valued as win for DeMo, because of a forfeit win.

Clan Terra receives 1 penalty point.

Best regards,
darkbread, NSL5 Disputes Admin
26  Newerth Hosted Competitions / Season Five (Locked) / Re: NSL5 DeMo vs Terra on: March 06, 2013, 10:31:34 am
I've requested the serverdemos, please give me some time to receive & examine them.
27  Newerth Hosted Competitions / Season Five (Locked) / Re: NSL5 W3: DeMo vs eoN on: February 25, 2013, 11:25:32 am
#2. Players:
  • Players that sign up must be part of the Roster for a minimum of 24 Hours prior to the game, in order to be elegible to take part in the clanwar.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7

DeMo fielded an illegal player.

Clan DeMo receives 1 penalty point.

#19. Clan Sovereignty:
  • Clan Sovereignty no longer exists.
  • Clans are not allowed to change any NSL rules by prior or on the spot agreements.

This is the very last warning for this rule for everyone! I am gentle this time since it was about the divisive 24hour rule; next time Rule#19 is broken, penalty points will be given.

Best regards,
darkbread, NSL5 Disputes Admin
28  Newerth Hosted Competitions / Season Five (Locked) / Re: Punishment clarifications. on: February 25, 2013, 11:16:05 am
4 penalty points and you're out. Not everything is worse a penalty point so I don't think/hope that any clan will even get to 3, though in this case, a rule was clearly broken, therefore it's a penalty point. (3 is too harsh for savage, 5 too lax)
For players it's like football/soccer, 2yellow cards=banned for 2(not 3) matches, 1red card=banned for 2 matches. It may also happen that there's a combination of 1yellowcard and banned for 1 match or whatever.

The warning was just a warning which is kind of a reminder.. It was posted public so other clans can see it, to remind them of ...
29  Newerth Hosted Competitions / Season Five (Locked) / Re: Dispute against the dispute "NSL5 W1: Warrior vs FOX" on: February 13, 2013, 09:06:03 pm
Here we go. Let's make it nasty then.

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Quote from: Daemon on May 14, 2012, 06:33:46 pm
VIII. The Complaints and Disputes
2.   The format of the complaints should be published, along with the media that has to be submitted as evidence, in order to help the wronged party make a proper case, which would not be lightly dismissed.
This tells us that NSL5 should have defined a format and a media which should be used to place complains/disputes

In the official rules of NSL 5 it is said that to file a dispute a topic must be made in the forum this dispute is posted.
That's true, was done now, we'll know that better for the next time.

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#16. Disputes:

    Teams wishing to file a dispute have to do so by starting a topic under the "Disputes" child board.
Hakugei is no team therefore he can just send me a PM and tell me about it and I'll try to find out what happend there, using serverdemos etc, which I did in this case.

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The dispute admin (Darkbread) will deal with any disputes.
Any dispute from anyone even via PM, BUT from now on if I receive a dispute via PM, I'll tell that guy to open a topic. We made a mistake here, because we did not have this situation earlier, next time we'll do it better.

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The image below shows all topics the "Disputes" child board. In this image you will find see 3 topics. The "NSL5 W1: Warrior vs FOX" contains only the final results of the dispute, but not the dispute itself. There is just 1 post in there made by darkbread. The topic "Disputes Process 2010" cont..
Disputes Process 2010 is from 2010 as its name says and BEARD! is not the dispute admin, so it is obvious that this topic is outdated, since the NSL rules even say that I am the dispute admin not BEARD!. I have now added NSL4 to the topic's name, so you won't get confused, though if you think we're still in 2010 and in NSL4 I can't help you.

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Teams have to make sure they add evidence to support their arguments - i.e. a screenshots/demo.
I have the serverdemos, which I used to make the proof screenshot of Kitsune's UID.

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I'll accept a screenshot, if it clearly shows the whole story. Otherwise, your dispute will not be considered without a demo.
This tells that the dispute filed to BEARD! should contain either contain a screenshot or a demo. I do not believe FOX filed the dispute in the dispute "NSL5 W1: Warrior vs FOX", because they agree..
Serverdemo.

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If nobody in FOX made this dispute, no demo can be provided either!
Serverdemo.

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I've not seen a topic, neither have I receive any PM to add my view on this. I'm Warrior's clan leader so
You clearly broke a rule, why would you need to post your opinion? It would not change the fact that you broke a rule, that's why the topic was instant locked. And btw, that's from 2010.

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How can the dispute admin judge a dispute that is not posted? A dispute admin is there to judge disputes, right!
And to make sure rules are being taken serious. No? Well ok why do we have rules if I may ask, since disputes will likely always be about the rules.

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i don't accept that we should be warned for suggesting another clan breaks a rule because anyway can use word of mouth like that for any rule
I'll post the response to this in public: The warning was just a warning which is kind of a reminder.. It was posted public so other clans can see it, to remind them of the no-clan-sovereignty-rule. This rule was approved by the CQ, otherwise it would not be in the rules!

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Not letting a player play just because he signed up too late is a stupid thing I don't agree with, but if it's in the rules, it is in the rules.
some rules are welcome but this is just ridiculous.
More players -> more fun, it's as simple as that.
Well, I did not setup this rules, if I remeber correctly the only time I was involved was about exploits, nothing more. In addition, in my position I won't say anything against the rules Wink But the CQ approved them, so I have to enforce them.

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More shadow admin forum shenanigans I see. The post Groen links in OP is missing, and the post that does exist suddenly has haku's post before darkbread's.
My fault! The forum did not let me do things as I wanted to do, so I had to delete my old post and post it again under Haku's post.

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for not following your own rules haku?
Those are the rules made by the CQ, ask your clan leader about it.

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actually Hakugei need a punishement too, since he's not a shoutcasters and not dispute admin.
Nope, as dispute admin, I was granted access to serverdemos and logs, which I used to confirm that Kitsune played the match.

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so you dispute as an eoN member?
Where did he involve his clan in his post, please link me to it. As I stated above, any dispute from anyone(though a request to random trolls that don't even take part in the NSL: please dont spam pointless dispute or PMs just to have fun..)

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Sometimes blind-following some stupid rule that only KILLS FUN is completely senseless.
Address this to your clan admin.

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nazi tournament
Dunno if that is also against me or just the ruling stuff, but I don't care anyways.

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But they are too strict for a tournament which is only based on "FUN".
Again, they were open for discussion in the CQ(though for just a short time).

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and be aware becaus i will make some time to find some!!!!
Not sure if gusta.

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but when It's gonna be like this I call it nazi cause that is what it is, atleast let the clans involved decide if it is an issue or not?
I mean they are supposed to do the disputes right?
no-clan-sovereignty-rule

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When is it ok if 2 clans agree on breaking the rules?
Never.

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Where does it say players aren't allowed to file disputes?
Nowhere.

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he's a general admin who hacked the original dispute admin's topic and put his post in front of it
Nope! that was me. As you can see in the topic it say "edited by darkbread" (though I did not change anything in his post except the Subject).

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Looks like the rule says Teams, not players. So if FOX as a team wants to bring this dispute, more power to them. But if they don't haku should probably mind his own business.
Any dispute from anyone, again: trolls stay home please.

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There is a rule that states it should actually be locked from the beginning.
Nope, thats from 2010 and NSL4, that's why it says 2010/NSL4.

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We are just a rly small community and what you guys doing here is kinda embarassing, this is a public topic everybody is free to read and you have an absolute (just at the last 2 pages) SENSELESS discussion trying to fuck you up one another.
Some of you do post things which are absolutely of the topic....hilarious.
This! There's an offtopic forum for those discussions, oh and Newerth Board Rules.

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Why hasn't this topic been locked yet?
It was unlocked because someone was waiting for me to post, though I am able to post even if a topic is locked, but atleast people can discuss abit more.

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Could you clarify what penalty points really are and do?
4 penalty points and you're out. Not everything is worse a penalty point so I don't think/hope that any clan will even get to 3, though in this case, a rule was clearly broken, therefore it's a penalty point. (3 is too harsh for savage, 5 too lax)
For players it's like football/soccer, 2yellow cards=banned for 2(not 3) matches, 1red card=banned for 2 matches. It may also happen that there's a combination of 1yellowcard and banned for 1 match or whatever.
30  Newerth Hosted Competitions / Season Five (Locked) / Re: NSL5 W1: Warrior vs FOX on: February 13, 2013, 02:32:36 pm
I was informed that the player Kitsune (Clan Warrior) broke a rule in the match against FOX, which I was able to verify myself with the serverdemos.
Kitsune signed up for Warrior not even 24 hours (=as the rule demands) before the match, but participated in it.

#2. Players:
  • Players that sign up must be part of the Roster for a minimum of 24 Hours prior to the game, in order to be elegible to take part in the clanwar.

Warrior fielded an illegal player.
Proof1 Proof2 Proof3

Clan Warrior receives 1 penalty point.

Furthermore I've been told that FOX decided that if FOX allows it (thus breaking the "no clan sovereignty"-rule) it's okay, which is wrong.

#19. Clan Sovereignty:
  • Clan Sovereignty no longer exists.
  • Clans are not allowed to change any NSL rules by prior or on the spot agreements.

In this case FOX receives a warning for breaking the clan sovereignty, which should also be a warning for every other clan to re-read #19 of the rules!

Best regards,
darkbread, NSL5 Disputes Admin
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