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Title: Mini Guide: Maliken [Igneo]
Post by: Igneo on September 14, 2009, 05:51:35 am
Maliken

Stats

Attack Type=Melee/Ranged
Attack Damage=44-50
Attack Range=125

Movementspeed=300
Turnrate=320
Armor=1.90
MagicArmor=5.5

Strength=18
Agility=20
Intelligence=18

Note: This is a pub build ONLY. Against higher-level play, such items may or may not work as well as they do in pubs. In public games, the primary objective is to farm heroes. This build does that.


Skills Overview:
Sword Throw - Pretty imba skill in my opinion. Moderate Nuke, relatively low cooldown, slows, gank/escape tool. Use it often, but keep an eye on your mana.
Sword of the Damned - Dont use Life Essence, it's crap. Stick with Enchanted Flames, the damage boost better than shitty lifesteal and reduced damage.
Hellbourne Zeal - Doesn't really shine until lategame when you do much higher damage, therefore crit for more damage.
Possession - Press R to initiate ass whooping. This skill is the shit. Range attack, splash damage, IAS, Fear. Use it in whenever you're fighting enemy heroes.



Skill Build:

1. Sword Throw
2. Sword of the Damned
3. Sword Throw
4. Sword of the Damned
5. Sword Throw
6. Possession
7. Sword Throw
8. Sword of the Damned
9. Sword of the Damned
10. Stats
11. Possession
12-15. Hellbourne's Zeal
16. Possession
17-25. Stats


Starting Items:
Power Supply - 494g   A good starting item for Maliken who needs charges for both survivability and using Sword Throw.
Marchers - 500g  Does this need an explanation?
Fortified Bracers - 510g  Extra stats and health, cheap and effective.

Mid Game Items:
Sustainer - 1750g  Regen is always good. Power Supply just doesnt cut it later on. You can get Lifetube earlier if you have extra cash.
Runed Axe - 4350g  Cleave through anything in your path. This baby will farm you creep after creep wave. Not to mention heroes.

Late Game Items:
If the opposing side hasn't conceded yet go with:
Behemoth's Heart - 5500g  Will keep you standing under heavy fire. Soak up the damage, and tear them apart with the extra +str.
Warpcleft - 2100g  You now pwn face 55% faster.



And that's it. Feedback is welcome. Tell me it sucks. Tell me it's good. Im open to all suggestions. Hoped you enjoyed it,

                                                
                                                                                                                                                           -Igneo


Title: Re: Mini Guide: Maliken [Igneo]
Post by: Lyrius on September 14, 2009, 09:51:19 pm
I heavily disagree with your build. Don't frown upon the lifesteal. Consider this. By the time you max at your lifesteal ability you'll be getting hundreds of health fast. At early levels this is a godsend. You'll see it less effective at higher levels which is why you want to focus on attack speed items.

The early levels should definitely be maxing at your lifesteal first for maximum farming potential. Enchanted flames should only be used for ganking and team fights. Getting behemoths heart and your other regen takes away the best part about Maliken. He's a carry not a tank so he needs to built like one.

Get an insanitarius(speed up crit), daemonic breastplate, and a nullstone(late game conditional) or another mana regen of your choice depending on the situation. This will max your crit potential, your attack speed and allow you to recover quickly with your lifesteal. His biggest asset is being able to turn lifesteal on and off. Don't ignore it.

Also forgoing zeal is like shutting down damage. If you don't have zeal then Enchanted Flames is useless. 40 damage is laughable at late level. The fact that every time you use it your crit goes up is a lot scarier to an opponent.

Last thing is: Power Supply is not a reliable heal/mana regen. It's a conditional item. If you are laning against a hero with spammable skills then get it. If you are laning against say pestilence then you'll be getting very little health/mana for your dollar.


Title: Re: Mini Guide: Maliken [Igneo]
Post by: Trigardon on September 14, 2009, 10:01:17 pm
thanks for the addition :-)


Title: Re: Mini Guide: Maliken [Igneo]
Post by: bainhollow on October 02, 2009, 10:14:26 pm
hmm I will have to try this, everytime I play malkin is picked before I go


Title: Re: Mini Guide: Maliken [Igneo]
Post by: Jakadasnake on November 10, 2009, 07:58:26 am
This guide is poorly written IMO. If anything, Lyrius has the informed opinion and should be writing the guide. Would be nice if this post was just deleted.


Title: Re: Mini Guide: Maliken [Igneo]
Post by: Tradius on November 11, 2009, 08:34:42 am
Let's not discourage him. How about we properly inform him of the mistakes he's made and let him edit additional information in his thread. Otherwise, I believe the OP had spent a while writing this guide (as to the others), and should be acknowledged for his contribution to actually write us a guide for Maliken.


Title: Re: Mini Guide: Maliken [Igneo]
Post by: Vinther on November 20, 2009, 01:08:43 pm
Runed Axe maliken is retarded.



Title: Re: Mini Guide: Maliken [Igneo]
Post by: fallenpaladin on December 15, 2009, 03:47:51 am
i totally agree with Lyrius

if you will study maliken's stats, it's very similar to huskar..so if you're playing dota, you may simply 'copy' the items used in huskar. :)

when i use insanitarius as one of my early items, i use the green sword in clashes.it's really amazing that your life won't go down..lol


Title: Re: Mini Guide: Maliken [Igneo]
Post by: Orneon on April 13, 2010, 07:48:35 pm
Hi.

What do ya think 'bout abyssal skull, Elder Parasite, something like hbl or behe's heart and mock ?

I think with two life steal items AND Life Essence, it can be one of the biggest tank of HoN, like Acc.

With this combination, yes you do less damages, but you gain so much life that you stay in fight a lot of time and there are two options :
- if they focus on you, they'll lose a lot of time and your allies will rape them. Plus, Zeal makes you attack faster, so attack more, so gaining more life (while your enemies lose more).
- if they don't, mock is here and they'll pay for that.


Title: Re: Mini Guide: Maliken [Igneo]
Post by: SpearWolf on April 13, 2010, 11:57:46 pm
no offense, but getting tri lifesteal means nothing if you don't do any damage.


Title: Re: Mini Guide: Maliken [Igneo]
Post by: Orneon on April 17, 2010, 05:52:59 am
Well i think you do some damages.

But let's see : the life gained through Life Essence is the same, whatever damages you deal. So, here it's ok.

For the others, yes it's percentage, yes more damages you do, more you'll gain.

But if it doesn't work very well, then you'll attack faster and regain faster. Yes it's better gain 32% of 150 damages than 32% of 75, but if you attack twice faster, you'll gain as much, and everything is ok.

Else, you can had something that gives you far more damages.


Title: Re: Mini Guide: Maliken [Igneo]
Post by: Mr_Matt on April 17, 2010, 02:50:16 pm
tri lifesteal is retarded

dont make suggestions until you are better orneon


Title: Re: Mini Guide: Maliken [Igneo]
Post by: SpearWolf on April 17, 2010, 06:27:58 pm
Well i think you do some damages.

But let's see : the life gained through Life Essence is the same, whatever damages you deal. So, here it's ok.

For the others, yes it's percentage, yes more damages you do, more you'll gain.

But if it doesn't work very well, then you'll attack faster and regain faster. Yes it's better gain 32% of 150 damages than 32% of 75, but if you attack twice faster, you'll gain as much, and everything is ok.

Else, you can had something that gives you far more damages.
Yes, that's all fine and dandy.. did you make sure to incorporate all the stuns the enemy can possibly have to hit you while you're tickling them down? Life essence is like -40 damage, and if you have only a whispering helm/parasite and vladmirs (abyssal skull) you're only doing about 120/100 damage.. Kind of pointless. Espeically while you're getting stunned.


Title: Re: Mini Guide: Maliken [Igneo]
Post by: Orneon on April 19, 2010, 01:45:32 pm
tri lifesteal is retarded

dont make suggestions until you are better orneon

I guess you mean as good as you ? For that, do i have not to give any argument and become rude ?

HomeWrecker, you're right, but i guess when you're stunned, no item but life giving ones can help you. Having more damages doesn't help either when you're stunned. And Elder + Skull doesn't cost too much. But anyway, when you're stunned, mock works better than no mock.

In any case, it was just a suggestion, your arguments are not bad and atleast you give some, staying polite !


Title: Re: Mini Guide: Maliken [Igneo]
Post by: Mr_Matt on April 19, 2010, 08:44:20 pm
not as good as me, because that will never happen (im so amazing)

it sucks when people who are at your skill level, make suggestions for people when it would only bring down someones game than help it


Title: Re: Mini Guide: Maliken [Igneo]
Post by: Trigardon on April 19, 2010, 10:38:06 pm
not as good as me, because that will never happen (im so amazing)

good jouk


Title: Re: Mini Guide: Maliken [Igneo]
Post by: imbaMALIKEN on June 05, 2011, 04:10:37 pm
just some suggestion, there are two kinds build for maliken
Tanker or Killer (depends of situation) if you go tanker then go for Helm of Black Legion
if you go killer then go for Whispering Helm

jungling makes the build more faster, except there are already have someone on your team
have to jungle (ie. Warbeast, Wildsoul etc)


Title: Re: Mini Guide: Maliken [Igneo]
Post by: man0f0neway on January 31, 2012, 08:42:13 pm
Hey guys all you guy's said is true, Its just that its a case to case basis wether you're playing a PUB or a Private game.
But let me inform some of my opinions for Maliken <---correct?

Trivia:1. Basically you dont play maliken as if its your on your own coz maliken is a hard to farm hero coz he lacks mana I personally experience that the needs of the sword throw thingy. If you got a lane like hagged or pyro or a good range nuker you're doom..you cant farm at all...And also you cant just lure at the jungle farm, you cant, coz you'll get caught or be troubled coz your enemies got wards on it or you'll get bothered by the roaming opponents as well. you need team mates to play Maliken. Normally you play Maliken in a Tri lane lower (Legion) tri top (HellB) you get 2 guys babysit you to farm and try to bully the guys on your lane. your work here is to get money kill if you got opportunity and get good items as it gets.

2.Maliken is not a Badass tank.(if you want to tank use Legionnaire LOL).not bcoz he' s on the STR type automatically its a tank. Maliken is a heavy hitter Hero just like MB believe me or not. You dont play boss dive in get stunned lure them all and get killed. LOL ..When your in clash and you get stunned by your opponent and you just catched all the skills and got hit boom ur doomed everybody knows it. But then again its a case to case basis depends on your support Team mates as well.

3.When your in clash try to see the situation avoid stuns or skills hit hard see who's opponent that is easy to kill get hero kills. But then again it depends so i say it again try to see the situation. If Maliken got a good position like he was on a free fire mode not getting hit or anything its bad ass.. well if you cant avoid skills(w/c is very rare) for you to be able to get this kind of situation a SH or SHRUNKEN HEAD is a MUST...

4.Maybe your confuse w/c one to use the red sword or the green one. Well Generally Red is GOOD I crossout the green WHY? bcoz when you get a Whispering Helm with the 15% lifesteal its far way better than the green sword if you got good damage w/c maliken Had from the start. Maybe you would say regenerating life is better (wrong) REMEMBER your maliken you dont tank you PAWN. The more damage you get the more frightening you are. Some might say this."green sword is good bcoz of its survival percentage" when you get Shrunken Head its the best survival item MALIKEN can have.
but if you like the green one go ahead use it. this is just my opinion guys dont flame hehehe..

A good team makes a good Maliken about the items i wont tell you coz you know what Maliken Needs you all are not noobs. well see you again GG GL HF...............ELECTRIC WE ARE ELECTRIC :)