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Savage XR => General Savage XR Discussion => Topic started by: drk on September 18, 2017, 05:33:03 pm



Title: Do we need another public server?
Post by: drk on September 18, 2017, 05:33:03 pm
The idea is simple:
I (we) can create a new public server that will be "managed" by you (players). Where the "majority" will decide "what to do".
Like: creating own rules, making own refs, server settings, maplist, etc.
As I see it: the major plus of such server could be the constant management and a possibility to change anything by yourself.
At this time we have 2 servers: GnG and Pulse. The question is do we need one more? Is it worth it?


Title: Re: Do we need another public server?
Post by: Telvek on September 18, 2017, 05:56:28 pm
Basically, this sounds like a nice Idea, but who will pay for the server?
I doubt that something like crowdfounding works here.


Title: Re: Do we need another public server?
Post by: Daemon on September 18, 2017, 06:24:10 pm
Great idea. Nowadays, a simple game server is nowhere near as expensive as it was years ago. And it's not like it has to run the entirety of Newerth either.


Title: Re: Do we need another public server?
Post by: drk on September 18, 2017, 06:34:34 pm
It's not about the money.
I have a server that can be used for these things (location: GB).


Title: Re: Do we need another public server?
Post by: Bullet on September 18, 2017, 07:04:06 pm
Some constructive questions that come to mind:

1. How will matters be decided ? Votes on a forum ? Votes in-game ?
2. How will you encourage the population to actually take action to change the server ? Most people dont visit groents forum, because they dont care enough.

It sounds like you aim for a server with dynamic rules, where any rules can be changed by votes, is this the case?



Title: Re: Do we need another public server?
Post by: Necrophiliac on September 18, 2017, 07:48:16 pm
If there's any way to reduce the power of buffs on this server, then sign me up!
Sounds like a good idea but not entirely sure people would move from pulse. Only reason we moved from GK was the server crashing or lagging out.


Title: Re: Do we need another public server?
Post by: Hakugei on September 18, 2017, 07:57:02 pm
The allure of being able to change the settings and rules according to your own wishes should be enough temptation to get you to put in effort to have that change come true. More so in contrast to the poorly managed Pulse Server.

However, much like in real life, people that don't vote have no say in the matter and accept the result beforehand, having no right to complain thereafter.


Title: Re: Do we need another public server?
Post by: drk on September 18, 2017, 08:19:02 pm
1. How will matters be decided ? Votes on a forum ? Votes in-game ?
Votes on a forum.
2. How will you encourage the population to actually take action to change the server? Most people dont visit groents forum, because they dont care enough.
I hope it worth a try.


Title: Re: Do we need another public server?
Post by: Trigardon on September 18, 2017, 08:22:03 pm
Everything's better than Pulse. Please go for it. It might encourage me to play more actively.


Title: Re: Do we need another public server?
Post by: drk on September 27, 2017, 05:40:24 pm
Server is up: http://www.newerth.com/?id=serverlist&details=94.177.253.129:11235
The next step is to inform people about it / create a server sub-forum / re-configure (if it needs) / rules / refs (etc).


Title: Re: Do we need another public server?
Post by: Necrophiliac on September 27, 2017, 09:19:21 pm
I heard everyone wants me to be ref, so better make the people happy. Fulfil their wishes and all that shit.


Title: Re: Do we need another public server?
Post by: Daemon on September 28, 2017, 06:35:47 am
How's the lag? :)


Title: Re: Do we need another public server?
Post by: drk on September 28, 2017, 10:39:10 pm
How's the lag? :)
Com doen't lag at all. And as I can see in general people have a better ping there.


Title: Re: Do we need another public server?
Post by: Hakugei on September 29, 2017, 09:53:38 am
That's great. :)
An alternative to Pulse is necessary.

Now time for the forum so they can actually start changing and voting on server changes.
Once everything is ready, we can make a Main Page post to attract attention for it.


Title: Re: Do we need another public server?
Post by: drk on October 05, 2017, 11:16:46 pm
We've moved here: http://server.groentjuh.eu/index.php?f=100
Thank you for your support  :mrgreen:


Title: Re: Do we need another public server?
Post by: Crashday on October 06, 2017, 06:56:07 pm
no idea if this is any help to you but you could show information about new votes ingame using this:
http://www.newerth.com/smf/index.php/topic,16800.0.html

in theory you could also allow players to vote ingame by exposing a custom python command to do so.
while working on the ref python commands back then i remember me making a mistake which initially allowed everybody (including non-refs) to execute ref commands like /ref python kick.
You could abuse this behavior by simply adding a new ref python command that is available for everybody.

Let's take a look at this snippet taken from xr_setup-1.0x-sv_lin_prod/game/python/savage0.zip/sv_refs.py:
Code:
0: if method.find('kick')!=-1:
1:     if (server.GetClientInfo(index, INFO_REFSTATUS) == 'normal' and int(core.CvarGetValue('sv_ref_allowkick')) > 0) or (server.GetClientInfo(index, INFO_REFSTATUS) == 'god'):
2:         method=method.replace('kick','')
3:         kick(index,str(object))
4:     else:
5:         senddenymessage(index)
If you would remove the if-statement at line 1, then the /ref python kick command would be available for everybody.
In this way you could implement a new vote command that allows players to vote ingame and spare the players the hassle of going to external websites.


Title: Re: Do we need another public server?
Post by: drk on October 06, 2017, 11:15:14 pm
I wrote my own notification for a warmup and a normal game (every 120s and 30m) for every registered client on the python. Still thanks  :mrgreen: