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Title: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on June 03, 2009, 05:55:30 pm
General info for Leet USA refs & a complete list of refs.

List
- JmZ
- Slash
- Dr.Zeus
- Standard
- Swilt
- Raybeez
- Homer
- McNasty
- Cutter
- WC
- Grrr_arrgh
- Calie
- Ender

Recently Removed

- TripleH

Getting the Ref Pass

Only me, slash and Dr.Zeus may give out the referee password(s) so please:
- Do not share it on the forums, even in the ref section
- Do not PM it to anyone (unless it's definately a person listed above)
- Do not msg it to anyone in-game unless you know for CERTAIN that they are listed above (Using XR, when possible, check their UID using the newerth stats page to be 100% sure it is the right person)
- Do not email anyone it unless it's definately the address of a listed person

I do recommend that you don't give it to anyone but that'd make "spreading" the password quite hard due to the fact that admins aren't always on. Me, slash and Zeus (the boss ref) will try our best to give out the passwords to listed refs but may not always succeed so follow the rules above strictly if you share it.

Staff

Pretty obvious, but heres the staff list:
- JmZ (Owner)
- Slash (Admin)
- Dr.Zeus (Head Referee)

The all-agree rule

One major new internal staff-rule is the one which states that at least me and slash must agree on new referees. Anyone can suggest a referee but the Staff (as listed above) need to come to a complete agreement on that person (at minimum both admins).

The reason for this is so that we can keep track of who has referee and also be sure that we have full trust in the person being "elected".

New Referees

When a new referee is chosen, we can optionally require them to spend a certain period of time as a regular non-god referee so that we know for sure that they can use the basic ref features. In some situations, we may completely skip this stage (for example if the person in question is well known and trusted).

Also, we will not give referee to anyone new. All refs must be experienced within savage and it is recommended that they have previous ref experience or they have a very good attitude and lack the presence of any "enemies" in-game.

Aliasing

It is now a requirement that, when aliasing, you must reveal who you are when asked unless you are not logged into referee. The obvious reason for this is so that we know who exactly is refereeing and so we know you're a valid ref, not a person who has somehow gained the password for malicious use.

I do recommend you don't alias at all when logged into the ref system but I'll be tolerant slightly and allow you to on the conditions above.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on June 03, 2009, 05:57:39 pm
Should I find you, Slash, or Zeus ingame for the new password?

EDIT:

Also, can we follow the EU rule that all referees (when logged in as a referee of course) may not alias, or, if they do alias, they must reveal who they are upon asking?


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: slashandburn on June 03, 2009, 10:36:34 pm
I am all for that rule cutter


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on June 04, 2009, 10:53:06 am
Will add it to main post


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: DarkStar on June 04, 2009, 11:11:18 am
glad to see slash/jmz/zeus working hard on refs/rules for l33t us. good work! maybe i can play without being aboozed on by some random DM guy  :-P


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on June 09, 2009, 02:35:55 am
Can I propose another rule?

If one team is clearly losing, and someone on that team calls a draw vote, can we be permitted to stop it?


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on June 09, 2009, 12:52:36 pm
Well I know that can be annoying if you're the attacking team but it's also useful for the defending team at times. For example if the attacking team is just farming for a long period of time, the other team should be allowed to draw/concede it.

As an optional rule it may work ok but we'll see what other refs have to say.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: xzor on June 09, 2009, 02:14:37 pm
not sure if any of you bothered to read them, but EU rules on that are:

7.   Players may call draw votes if a commander bailed at start and there is no point at playing anymore. Draw votes may also be called if no team makes significant progress at gaining control over the map for at least 20 minutes.

so basically if one team is winning or losing, draw votes can be stopped at will..


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: McNasty on June 10, 2009, 08:50:54 am
Nice post JmZ. 

Firstly, I think that we should take a look at BF, WC, and some of the EU's old set of rules and reform them to create a solid list of guidelines that refs should be able to follow.  For example, tonight thrain (that guy is too funny) of all people logged on to USA leet, and he proceeded to drop the N bomb like 50 times in one sentence.  Cutter PM'd me asking if we were still upholding BF's old "no racism" clause.  I said yes, so we muted him.  Basically, I feel like some refs might be a little unsure of what to do in certain situations, and I would be beneficial to have a legitimate list.

Secondly, considering that there is such a small list of referees, and since the majority of them are experienced referees that have pretty much zero instances of ref abuse, shouldn't refs have the right to use their own good judgment in most situations without worrying about "abusing" ref?  Of course it is impossible to create guidelines for every single situation possible in a savage server, so shouldn't there be a rule that says something like: "Refs reserve the right to use their own judgment  if the situation doesn't obtain an applicable rule".  Now of course some may think that a rule of this nature may induce referees to abuse their power in any given situation, just because they known that the have a rule to justify their actions.  I would argue that the new list of referees is full of responsible, respectful, experienced refs; most of whom do not have the capacity to abuse their power.  If anyone is capable of ref abuse, its most likely me!  :lol:

Anyways, thats my 2 cents on the situation.  Thanks for reading (if you did)


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on June 10, 2009, 04:17:02 pm
Yeah interesting ideas nasty.

The idea of re-making the rules is a good one as we've had too many, too different "revisions" of the rules in general.
As for "use of judgement", it could be useful, yes. But we'd have to specify that the action(s) taken can still be questioned by admins so that refs don't accidentally abuse such an ability


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: xzor on June 10, 2009, 06:16:10 pm
ok if i get annoying tell me, another quote from EU rules:

Actions taken by referees

Referees will punish you if you break any of the rules or if you misbehaved in a way that might not be literally listed in the rules.

kinda solves your next problem, too.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: slashandburn on June 11, 2009, 12:23:51 am
I think we need a rule such as:

If you act like a jackass, Slash will make your life in Savage a living hell.  Proceed with caution.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on June 14, 2009, 12:29:22 am
Can we PLEASE remove p2r from the map rotation?


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on June 14, 2009, 10:47:11 am
If the majority of you agree, then yeah we may aswell.
But without many refs/admins agreeing it wouldn't be a good idea.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: slashandburn on June 14, 2009, 06:22:12 pm
I have no problem with it going away


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Dr.Zeus on June 14, 2009, 08:58:46 pm
F1!!!!!!


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Wc on June 14, 2009, 11:29:20 pm
I seriously don't think that 10 people refs and admin should have the right to remove maps without putting it to a vote with the people that actually play on the server. That's kind of like a dictatorship. Anyway i like the damn map and know alot of people that do. If you remember there was a big stink it was gone for awhile. Rules ha ha ha i can right some and post them here if you want just let me know > Yes I am BACCKKK


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on June 15, 2009, 12:50:49 am
The admin doesn't have the right to do what he wants with his server?

Regardless, JMZ said he would listen to the majority.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: slashandburn on June 15, 2009, 02:07:22 am
so we should leave a map on the server because people like to call it so they can exploit it and whore it?  Guess I'll just have to watch it more and kick the exploiters and bailing comms.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on June 15, 2009, 03:13:04 am
In addition, 9 times out of 10, the game turns into a balli/cata/summ/behe whoring fest with some player saccing on the side.

Basically, its retarded.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Wc on June 15, 2009, 02:10:32 pm
OMG, All I'm saying is put it to a vote start a thread and see where it goes. James can do whatever he wants with the server he can bann me for all i care im just saying we had a big stink last time it was gone. People enjoy playing it is all im getting at . And when me and jmz owned the server Cutter there where alot of things we did for the people that played there not because we owned the server and thats the way we wanted it. why do you think we started it.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on June 15, 2009, 02:42:59 pm
I'm not going to lie, the map is usually fun for the first 30 minutes.

But after that point, when the beasts have established their spots in the mid mines, it becomes a siege whoring, player saccing fest, and at that point, it becomes pointless.
Unfortunately, that last phase lasts anywhere from 30 minutes to upwards of an hour or more, because the siege whores call time votes and the noobs all f1 it.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: McNasty on June 15, 2009, 09:57:40 pm
There are plenty of worse maps than p2r on the server. Maybe I should reconstruct the maplist I made from forever ago. 

On a similiar note, there will be more maps to choose from when XR becomes serverside.  I noticed that EvO's public server was running with XR a couple of days ago, and I was wondering why we weren't doing the same thing...



Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Wc on June 16, 2009, 02:57:24 am
Not sure if anyone knows pidgeon or spitfire im thinking its the same person that called me im msg a fucking nigger faggot jew and that i should kill myself but i would like JAMes to bann his ass
infraction occourd at 6:53 MONDAY june 15th


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on June 16, 2009, 01:51:22 pm
Well the p2r map isn't in rotation is it?
So in large games it should be F2'd if people dislike it.

I may ask around in the server though of what people think.

WC: probably an alias, not much we can do until we see him online again


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: slashandburn on June 17, 2009, 12:51:24 am
I saw him last night.  I logged back on aliasing as wc to try to talk to him, and verify it was same one.  But as soon as "wc" logged on, he bailed.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Wc on June 17, 2009, 01:52:17 pm
No matter just post a kick on site for a week that will keep him busy and pissed. after a week let it go.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on June 21, 2009, 11:14:18 pm
Can we address the issue of commanders spawning as siege?

Can we make it so that it isn't allowed?

Its amazingly frustrating, both as beast AND human.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on June 22, 2009, 10:24:47 am
Well that rule did start a good few arguments when we had it last so I think we need it to be very specific.
e.g. Commanders may not spawn siege on a spawn point to camp at it or to stop an attacker. However, they may spawn siege when there are no obvious attackers at the point.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on June 22, 2009, 02:06:00 pm
I just want to stop Behe-spawning as beasts and ballista spawning as human.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on June 25, 2009, 07:14:38 am
Can I propose another rule?

If one team is clearly losing, and someone on that team calls a draw vote, can we be permitted to stop it?

Can we come to a conclusion on the above rule and the commander siege spawning situations?


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on June 25, 2009, 11:25:06 am
ok ill take the two EU rules and add them to our list.
As for the siege rule, we need to think of a specific way to say it which wont cause trouble like it did last time.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: slashandburn on June 25, 2009, 02:00:46 pm
Would be nice if there was a way to may it so behes had to wait about 5 seconds before they could attack after spawning, like summs


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Standard on June 28, 2009, 03:29:29 am
yea, i say just give bali and behe a delayed attack...and as far as draw votes when a team is about to win, it was an old rule to stop those votes..so i do so now.  that is if it will pass, its its gonna fail ill let it go. 


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Evil_Homer on June 28, 2009, 08:46:35 pm
Just catching up :D


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on June 30, 2009, 10:33:36 am
Good to see you found your way here homer.

Slash & Standard: There may be a way but im not sure. I'll have to check with the xr devs, see if its possible.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: McNasty on July 01, 2009, 11:38:04 pm
could someone PM me the ref pwd? I lost it when i reinstalled savage  :cry:


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on July 02, 2009, 10:18:59 am
Ask slash or zeus on sav

Don't PM it, i'd prefer for us to share it in-game only so we can be ultra secure.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: McNasty on July 02, 2009, 04:17:29 pm
I've got it, thanks :)

I'll keep that in mind james


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on July 05, 2009, 12:06:59 am
Can we get an updated referee list?

I've seen a lot of new ones lately.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Evil_Homer on July 05, 2009, 12:08:05 am
Just as an fyi, I joined the server, and some guy was spamming racial crap. I was in console and typed in the pwd, it typed it on the screen as well... It needs to be changed, sorry...


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on July 05, 2009, 12:55:20 am
Yeah homer, someone has the pass and is kicking the whole damn server.

I managed to kick him a few times, but he just got me.

He played under the names Rico, I AM ZERG KEKE, Andaron, and Mescaline. This all happened between 7 and 8PM EST. He has around 160 ping, so he's probably from somewhere in Europe.

After each time that I kicked him, he would come back on 5 minutes later, ref quickly and kick a few people before i managed to kick him. He got me 3 minutes ago.

If we could get an admin to change the pass and perma ban this guy's IP, that would be great.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: slashandburn on July 05, 2009, 02:23:29 am
the pwd has been changed.  You will need to find me on the server to get it.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Standard on July 05, 2009, 02:49:11 am
good job homer!  lol.  slash/jmz check server logs for his ip and perma ban him? 


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Evil_Homer on July 05, 2009, 02:09:47 pm
Not sure if it helps, but I was able to get his UID it is 978209.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Evil_Homer on July 05, 2009, 08:35:04 pm
DJ just popped in, I gave him the UID of Flatjuice.  He said the name was the Frost, but he also stated that he could ban him with the UID :D


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on July 05, 2009, 09:10:57 pm
It was TheFrost?

Holy shit.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Standard on July 06, 2009, 01:06:04 am
haha, looks like frost isnt gonna be on our server anymore gg


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Taggi on July 06, 2009, 08:52:23 am
haha, looks like frost isnt gonna be on our server anymore gg

TheFrost from EU? If it was him he should be banned from Eu server as well imo


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on July 06, 2009, 03:20:55 pm
I was reading through the EU ref section and I noticed that they have a discussion on kick time.

Can we increase the kick time to something like 15/30 minutes?

5 minutes is insignificant, and it allows for people to do stuff, knowing that they're only gone for at most 5 minutes: and they come back with a clean slate.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Standard on July 06, 2009, 10:11:55 pm
yea, id like this as well...tho if i kick someone and they come back after 5 mins, theyre on a super short leash.  they do 1 lil thing i dont like and they gone again lol


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: slashandburn on July 07, 2009, 02:53:11 am
I was advocating for a 15 min ban.  I'm with stan.  If they do 1 littlke thing out of line, or even complain, goodbye again!


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Evil_Homer on July 07, 2009, 11:35:07 pm
I agree with the length of ban, but perhaps my opinion doesn't matter anymore? Is James back form vacation?


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Standard on July 08, 2009, 04:14:32 am
haha, you get a warning...i dont think youll lose ref over just that.  not to mention we dont have many refs that are on too much.  im sure im the most active. 


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on July 10, 2009, 05:15:30 pm
im back now from turkey

the extended ref kick time is a nice idea but i think it'd work best if we had two times to choose from (xr feature maybe?).

e.g. let god refs kick using default (5 min) or extended (15 min).


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on July 16, 2009, 10:46:31 am
Just so you know, i've given Cobra/Viper access to this forum section.

Although hes not a referee, he does donate a large percentage of the server costs monthly so its the least I can do.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: slashandburn on July 16, 2009, 11:25:48 am
np.  FYI, I will be on vacation next week July 19-26


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on July 16, 2009, 01:19:08 pm
ok, have a good time when you go :D


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Cobra on July 17, 2009, 11:55:37 am
Just so you know, i've given Cobra/Viper access to this forum section.

Although hes not a referee, he does donate a large percentage of the server costs monthly so its the least I can do.

Just throw me under the bus  :-D

And as I have told slash and Jmz I don't want to have to ask for ref even though its been offered.  I like the 2 kick times idea for God mode refs.



Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Standard on July 17, 2009, 06:22:14 pm
goin back to the issue on when homer leaked the pw and all...kidmorbid said he kicked 150+ pple he said the old refpass and all.  this was in an eu server one day last week.  i have a SS of it.  just so slash/jmz or who ever wants to ban him from US/EU or w/e servers


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: slashandburn on July 17, 2009, 10:52:20 pm
I can't ban anyone.  JmZ doesn't trust me with that :x


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Standard on July 17, 2009, 11:04:07 pm
haha, but like taggi said about banning from EU too...he seemed to not care at the thought of being banned.  seemed like a douche to me..just imo


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on July 18, 2009, 02:56:44 am
Can we please come to a conclusion on commander siege spawning?

Adding a delay to attack after spawning doesn't seem like something that would ever be enabled (and I can't imagine its easy to code).

How about we just say that commanders cannot spawn siege if there are 30 or more players on the server? I'd rather ban commanders from spawning siege altogether, but if this rule was in effect it would be fine too.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on July 18, 2009, 09:59:41 am
Hmm, maybe:

Commanders may not spawn siege to defend the point at which they spawned.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: slashandburn on July 18, 2009, 12:53:58 pm
This was tried before, and was a huge failure


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Standard on July 18, 2009, 09:01:37 pm
it wasnt that it was a failure, it was just that we kept having to tell comms about the new rules..cuz it changed from being able to, not, then back to being able to.  id like to see that rule enfored and behes not being able to camp bottle necks (ladders and such).  and would love to see it behes banned from camping flags, but thatll never happen imo.  refs would never be able to play due to all the kicking/slaying all day. 


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Evil_Homer on July 19, 2009, 12:39:44 am
Some guy named dogdickparade saying he is BF and asking for the PWD. I told him that he would have to contact either JMZ or Slash to get it.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: slashandburn on July 19, 2009, 12:43:25 am
He won't be getting it from me


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Standard on July 19, 2009, 02:28:50 am
BF has nothing to do with admin anymore...so he is just another player.  dont wry bout givin it to anyone unless you can verify who they are...then just let jmz/slash give it out lol.  saves you the headache of 1000X pm's


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on July 19, 2009, 11:19:00 am
Yeah please don't give anyone ref through the game unless you are like 300% sure its them and they're already ref lol.

One problem we had before I made slash admin was that refs occasionally just gave other people the pass who said they needed it.

As for the siege rule, we really need to come to a decision on this, ill make a new thread for it so we don't spam this one up.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: @zn_Jinx-Theone on July 21, 2009, 12:01:35 am
Also just to clear up some confusion, whats the verdict on behes hitting through fogs and such. Also are legos, preds etc. able to hit through walls to attack the building on the other side?


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on July 21, 2009, 01:19:15 am
I believe Behes can hit through mist walls ONLY (well, grimms included).

I think legos and preds are allowed to hit through anything.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on July 21, 2009, 11:22:56 am
Yeah ill add/change a rule to state that.

Edit: added the following rule:
- Players using behe may only hit through grimms walls, mist walls and walls which the enemy can easily reach the other side of to kill you (this rule can be affected by referee judgement, e.g. to decide if the enemy can reach the other side).


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: slashandburn on July 21, 2009, 01:14:14 pm
That rule is really bad in my opinion.  For example, on mini, behes can camp the mist and walls, and humans can't do shit.  Humans can go around to get to them, but by the time they do, the behes will kill the base.  All that will happen with this rule is to have an entire server crying about camping, and people leaving the server


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Standard on July 21, 2009, 09:33:06 pm
and attacking a building through a wall with pred lego is a bad idea...then the other team has to go all the way around it to get them...the building cant hit back like another player can through a wall


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: @zn_Jinx-Theone on July 21, 2009, 11:32:09 pm
I think hitting through mist/walls when you are on the other side should not be allowed. Or people will just behe camp behind them all day.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: McNasty on July 22, 2009, 12:46:44 am
Recently I killed 10 mining nomads on Superman with one behe swing.  It was in the middle of the map where there is a stone mine which is accessible to both teams, and on top of it is two grimms walls.  I only intended to kill the wall, but fortunately for me I got like a bizillion kills too  :lol:

Anyways that not the focus of this post... Behe's, preds, and legos alike should all be able to legally kill units through grimms/mist/regular walls IMO.  But heres the catch:  we need to enfore a "no camping" rule.  The components of this rule should be collaborated and decided upon by all admins and refs who are willing to contribute their opinions and ideas. 

______
Here is how I see it:

Behes can not camp at:
1) bottlenecks (previously mentioned) i.e. those cave/tunnel things like on choke_fixed, and the caves on rainforest
2) spawn flag points
3) garrisons/sublairs -- (some behes just sit outside of garrisons just to farm kills before the garr dies)
4) behind mist/regular walls

Summoners:
Honestly, I've tried to think this over and I've come to the conclusion that its nearly impossible for summs to effectively camp in any given situation.  They are easily killed by a mag buff/elec buff, coil rifle, ballista, or even mass amounts of flux.

The only situation that is questionable is when they run in and out of subs/lair to avoid being shot at.  That is camping in a sense


Ballistas:
One of the most annoying problems for any meleeing predator is a ballista that just sits at the SH or garrison all day and camps with a lista.  For anyone that enjoys using beast melee in game, you must know exactly what I'm talking about.  Now, there is a fine line between defending a garrison under attack of siege/sac or whatever, and blatant camping.  I know most of the god refs are fairly competent humans, and it should be easy to tell whether they are camping or not.  Now, in order to properly analyze the situation, refs must control their emotions if they are involved in a decision.  For example, I have soooooo many times just wanted to slay ballistas for shooting me in the face time and time again... self control.  That ended up being a huge ramble, but I think I established my point ;)

Catas: 

Only noobs try to camp with catas, and mist shroud makes any camping catapult shot void.  Also most players nowadays don't even bother camping with catas. 

______
Obviously if this rule were for some reason to go into effect, we must explain to players what the rule exactly encompasses, how the system works, and what the punishments are.


This is just an unorganized spew of an idea, so don't be overly critical please!  Sorry for the typos and unorganized random thoughts. Thanks for reading  :-)


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on July 22, 2009, 05:01:44 am
Not to divert attention from Mcnasty's essay, but why is the ban time (from kick votes/ref kicks) set at 0 minutes?

There is this guy who keeps reconnecting, trying to kick azn_jinxtheone.

We keep kicking him, but he comes back within 30 seconds.

Also, can we increase the kick time to 10 or 15 minutes? It would help a lot.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on July 22, 2009, 10:02:15 am
Right after I add the two rules, you refs dont like them.

So in that case, you make the rule. What should the behe through walls rule read? should it exist at all?
I need you all to agree otherwise we'll be here forever debating over which rules to have.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: McNasty on July 22, 2009, 12:44:36 pm
Today I leave to go to the Bahamas for a week!  :-D  I may or may not have internet access while I'm there.  We'll see  :roll:


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Wc on July 22, 2009, 01:38:48 pm
Have a safe trip  Mcdaddy


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on July 22, 2009, 01:44:58 pm
Have fun nasty


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on July 22, 2009, 03:06:03 pm
Well, I'm fine with the two rules you added.

Anyways, can you fix the kick time James?


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Standard on July 22, 2009, 10:55:36 pm
cutter, it might be his ip...u know static/dynamic ip's...and lets get this discussion over to the other thread...jmz lock this?


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Calie on July 23, 2009, 12:00:57 am
I say never give ref to BF again. He was one of the worsts ref in my opinion, and if he gets ref again, it will only go down hill for the server. I will personally go play on the EU server only of BF gets ref.

Sigh first post on these newerth boards, and its announcing that I think BF should never get ref again.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Cobra on July 23, 2009, 12:08:51 am

Here is how I see it:

Behes can not camp at:
1) bottlenecks (previously mentioned) i.e. those cave/tunnel things like on choke_fixed, and the caves on rainforest
2) spawn flag points
3) garrisons/sublairs -- (some behes just sit outside of garrisons just to farm kills before the garr dies)
4) behind mist/regular walls

Take McNasty's rule.  I don't care on comms one way or another because if you just enforce the behe camping it resolves that in that comms can't just spawn and behe and go back in and out and in...make the rule easy for everyone to understand and follow.  Thats my 2 cents which is worth about 2 cents


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: @zn_Jinx-Theone on July 23, 2009, 12:50:24 am
I'm fine with nasty rules. Just so we are clear behes "Can" hit through walls/mist?
Behes can not camp at:
1) bottlenecks (previously mentioned) i.e. those cave/tunnel things like on choke_fixed, and the caves on rainforest
2) spawn flag points
3) garrisons/sublairs -- (some behes just sit outside of garrisons just to farm kills before the garr dies)
4) behind mist/regular walls


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Calie on July 23, 2009, 01:07:52 am
Im fine with those, i think it should be ok though for a player to spawn as a behe (not a commander) to run out to save his base from a human wedged up against tech. Same with a sub, if a player spawns it  to just kill the guy so you dont lose the sub it should be fine. I know thats what I do, normally im in a pred, and I see a good human player up on a hill, good luck killing that in a pred whit him elec buff or what not. So I just spawn a behe and kill him then move on. or make him reloac.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on July 23, 2009, 09:50:14 am
ok take these replies to the rules thread WC made now, ill reply to them there.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on July 25, 2009, 05:37:34 am
Could the duel and match server ref passwords be changed to reflect the passwords on the main leets server?


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on July 25, 2009, 10:37:27 am
well we've never really done that before purposely as we used to assign different ref(s) to the match one.

e.g. DS from vtx or whatever was/is ref on match but not on pub.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on July 25, 2009, 03:25:10 pm
Well what about the duel server only then?


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on July 25, 2009, 04:17:44 pm
The duel ref password isn't really used so im not sure.

If you think it needs to be given out then i'll give it out.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: @zn_Jinx-Theone on August 09, 2009, 06:04:30 am
Going to Hawaii for 2 weeks. Leaving Monday

P.S. Can you believe that thers gonna be a huge storm that's gonna hit Hawaii on Monday and last for 3 days? What horrible luck  :cry:


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Standard on August 09, 2009, 08:10:41 am
haha, you just got gg'd....by GOD!!!


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on August 09, 2009, 10:59:09 am
Have a good time jinx, hope all goes well.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on August 09, 2009, 04:22:50 pm
Can we get an IP Check on a guy named Faggio?

He was playing on the leets server today at around 11AM EST. He was talking smack the whole time and right as I was about to mute him, he disconnected.

Here's his account.

http://www.newerth.com/?id=stats&action=view&uid=1070685&pp=search_playername&pk=faggio

Also, what is the rule on shimmying up on map objects to get over them?


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on August 10, 2009, 10:02:19 am
It's dzine, don't start insta-kicking him or anything though hes actually an ok guy when not aliasing.

If he continues being an annoyance, warn him and, if needed, mute him.
I'll talk to him on MSN too.

As for the "shimmying" over objects ability, no server really bans this so im not sure. If there is a person doing it to get to a shield for example (which is the usual case), the comm should just try block it off.

If it's purposely to climb over a dividing wall however (like a ruins wall that splits t1 and t2), then i'd class that as exploiting.
So basically, in my opinion I think doing it to small objects isn't so bad, large objects is bad.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Cobra on August 12, 2009, 01:56:13 am
There was another person on that went by, man I can't remember crap, chad the behe or something like that..I'll have to ask Ange.

Anyway it was believed to be Dzine as well and he was threatening people talking about how he was friends with JMZ and would get us banned and kicked..really went off the other night.

He was talking smack starting fights jumping from teams and messaging me making threats and bitching.  I was last week but I haven't slept much since the new baby got here so I'm really out of it :)


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Standard on August 12, 2009, 04:25:18 am
yes its all dzine...he opens up 2-3 clients at once and will alias with them all and talk shit..get muted/kicked and just be on the other client and do it all again.  he doesnt bother me, weve always been cool...but he does fuck with others a little to much. 


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on August 12, 2009, 11:06:42 am
He was like that in ex2, a real annoyance. I actually hoped he'd changed when he came back, he had been fine until this occurance.

Since he is a known player though I suggest not taking extreme action but rather warnings and mutes. I'd say the same about any other well known old player so it's nothing to do with knowing him or not just so you know.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: slashandburn on August 12, 2009, 12:42:25 pm
He's been a real ass lately.  He mostly gets on a server and starts flaming people.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on August 12, 2009, 05:29:00 pm
His 'alias' now is nastyboy.Whenever I join the server now, if he's on, he makes sure his first comment toward me is something always something that flames me.

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Anyways, can we get some siege camping rules in effect for the siege units other than behemoths?

There's been some really ridiculous stuff going on lately, like Curtis simply sitting on a bridge with a cata, making it impossible to cross without killing him first. He was doing it on newhope with the bridge that's right next to the west alcove, he effectively made it impossible to damage the garrison.

Ballistas have also been bad, but there's nothing new there. Nothing is a more annoying sight as a beast to see 4 or 5 ballistas just sitting at their garrison, daring any beasts to come close.

Summoners, while annoying, never have been that bad though, probably because they're so easy to kill. I don't feel like they need a camping rule put against them, correct me if you feel otherwise though.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Cobra on August 12, 2009, 11:34:07 pm
His 'alias' now is nastyboy.Whenever I join the server now, if he's on, he makes sure his first comment toward me is something always something that flames me.

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Anyways, can we get some siege camping rules in effect for the siege units other than behemoths?

There's been some really ridiculous stuff going on lately, like Curtis simply sitting on a bridge with a cata, making it impossible to cross without killing him first. He was doing it on newhope with the bridge that's right next to the west alcove, he effectively made it impossible to damage the garrison.

Ballistas have also been bad, but there's nothing new there. Nothing is a more annoying sight as a beast to see 4 or 5 ballistas just sitting at their garrison, daring any beasts to come close.

Summoners, while annoying, never have been that bad though, probably because they're so easy to kill. I don't feel like they need a camping rule put against them, correct me if you feel otherwise though.

I think curtis is being smart...hes found a way to block your attack for a short time till the team can intervene.

Really short of Behe's camping a flag or wall all other siege are pretty much open game in short order..don't know that there need to be anymore rules than that.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Standard on August 14, 2009, 12:30:30 am
yea catas i could care less about..SS stops em..range just get surge or temp. 


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on August 14, 2009, 05:34:04 am
What curtis did had the same effect as a behemoth sitting next to a sublair: no matter what you did, you could not damage the garrison significantly due to his camping.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: slashandburn on August 14, 2009, 12:09:12 pm
Use blaze?  Sac?


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: @zn_Jinx-Theone on August 18, 2009, 01:05:44 am
Just a little heads up. Hawaii is pretty sweet, freaking hot chicks everywhere woooooooo 18 ftw!   :mrgreen:


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: Standard on August 18, 2009, 11:18:51 pm
all those hot chicks walking around...and you still havnt done anything with any of them. 


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: @zn_Jinx-Theone on January 05, 2010, 05:55:37 am
Sorry I haven't been around lately. With winter break and the new term starting, it was pretty hectic. Well now I'm back, I'll see you guys in game.  :evil:


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on January 09, 2010, 10:25:07 am
I've just checked who has access to this forum and have removed the following people:
- Ben
- TripleH/Ryan
- BeardedFrog

Totally forgot that ben and BF had access.
TripleH *should* have lost ref, but I have no idea if anyone gave him the new pass. Slash didn't so nobody else should have.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on February 04, 2010, 06:14:12 am
Yeah, so I think we should just disallow aliasing of any kind by referees if they are logged in, I think they should just use the name that they are on the list as.

That seems to be the main thing players are complaining about now, and thats not just the trifecta of Bnedizzle, spearwolf, and Darkstar saying that.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: slashandburn on February 04, 2010, 11:06:04 am
And once that is done, then they will bitch about something else.   I don't care one way or another on it. 


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: slashandburn on February 04, 2010, 09:03:42 pm
Ok, from now on, unalias before you do anything.  However, feel free to strictly enforce the "Do not put up with anyones shit talking or bad mouthing of you or other players" rule.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: JmZ on February 05, 2010, 03:44:30 pm
Yeah I agree.

Refs should unalias to take action but may alias while not taking action.


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: @zn_Jinx-Theone on February 28, 2011, 06:28:35 pm
I'm back  :lol:


Title: Re: USA Referee List & Info
Post by: cutter on April 04, 2011, 11:30:44 pm
Can we update the list?

Leganjaman seems to have referee abilities now too.