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« Reply #1320 on: March 22, 2012, 07:11:08 pm »

For those [Valli] who missed my previous answer, it's here. In case anyone isn't convinced yet that I'm a townie, I'd like to take the chance to further defend myself.

It's Day 7 and referring to my argument above, there are 4 mafia members left (the 3 who are still alive & Tjens) out of 11 players in total. Time is running out and the townies are desperately trying to lynch someone. At this point the choice is between IgorS (townie) and Tjens (mafia).

Dervun decides to cast his vote for IgorS and since he's generally trusted this carries a lot of weight. Another vote follows and it's 2 votes for IgorS opposed to 3 already on Tjens (including mine). People are unconvinced so I call out for everyone to vote for Tjens:

Tjens was my first choice for a few reasons. He's playing very passively, and just posts enough to stay under the radar. Also he's playing quite different from how he played on the last Newerth mafia. Chances are they're both mafia, but I stand by my first post in saying he's our best bet.

The votes follow and Tjens (mafia) is lynched. After the vote there are 10 players left, 3 of whom are mafia.

IgorS claims I'm mafia. For argument's sake, let's say I am and that IgorS is a townie. In the scenario why would I call out for people to lynch my mafia buddy instead of a townie when chances are pretty high the townie would probably be lynched without my intervention? Instead of the odds 3 to 7 the mafia would have had 4 to 6. It really doesn't make sense if I were mafia.

I hope I've managed to establish that I'm a townie, because I am and we have only IgorS word saying otherwise (not even how he came to that conclusion). I don't see any reason for another townie to lie about that so in my eyes it's highly probable that he's mafia. Therefore:

F1 IgorS
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« Reply #1321 on: March 22, 2012, 07:40:02 pm »

Thanks for the good post Smiley and sorry yes I read your previous Smiley
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« Reply #1322 on: March 23, 2012, 04:23:34 pm »

Where is Igors? I wanted to write something after him for reasons i'll elaborate now.

He claims to be a Guardian Monk, our 2nd investigator. We know exactly nothing about his methods of discovering BBB members. There is one thing bugging me.
Myself, i'm a Human Monk. Not only have we similiar roles according to him, but also similiar names. I can assure you though, i don't use magic, whereas Pizlo claimed he gave Igors the chance to use magical powers twice last night. Obviously he promptly used it to discover 2 BBBs. So we have almost the same names, but only he uses magic? I don't think so.

Also very important are the patterns.
There we have the voting patterns with Skuggi being part of bringing Envious down and having a major part in the Tjens case. On the other side we have Igors who claims he waited for someone to remove his vote from Envious, to find one more Mafiosi. Else he took part in lynching Feathers, but didn't try to defend himself on day 7 and didn't help against Tjens.

Then we have the role names.
Phoenix, Human Chaplain Student
Tinki, Human Hermit

Dervun, Human Monk

Winterfresh, Human Master Chaplain
Happy, Human Innkeep

Townies who are human appear to have a role-name starting with Human. That's one more lead against Igors.

With this, i rest my case, because i have to go. Hope Igors is the right choice to lynch Smiley
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« Reply #1323 on: March 23, 2012, 04:35:37 pm »

I want to know every aspect of your role.

I am a reserved guardian monk who spends most of the time observing nature. I knew about the presence of the group with harmful intentions since a longer time, but I rarely interfere with the monastery life. The recent kills left me no choice.

Sleep is the time when every creature is the most exposed to everything, including investigations. I able to visit someones room and tell whether he belongs to the above-mentioned group just by observing my target for a while. I am willing to do it only twice.

If I manage to identify one of the harmful people, I have the powers to wake him up during the night and escort him out of the village. This requires so much effort that I am unable to perform any other NTA-s anymore.
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« Reply #1324 on: March 23, 2012, 04:35:51 pm »

Mopok, Baby Behemoth, is banished from monastery.
Mopok: Winter, Dervun, valli, Faun
1 F2: IgorS

I mean if I look at those vote patterns, then it's highly possible that Pizlo and IgorS are both BBB.

I like how you added mysterious "1 F2: IgorS" there. The more confusion the better? I never voted anything that day, so that's at most "F3", and not even that. Also I was not the only one who did not vote.

So, me and pizlo are bad because unlike you we did not participate in a lynch of the baby behemoth? Smiley
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« Reply #1325 on: March 23, 2012, 04:39:44 pm »

I can assure you though, i don't use magic, whereas Pizlo claimed he gave Igors the chance to use magical powers twice last night. Obviously he promptly used it to discover 2 BBBs. So we have almost the same names, but only he uses magic? I don't think so.

Nope, you got it wrong. pizlo casted his magical potion on WinterFresh because he thought the healing is magic. On the contrary, it appears the WinterFresh is doing the physical potions. So pizlo had the physical potions remaining this night which he would use on either WinterFresh or me. He used them on me.
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« Reply #1326 on: March 23, 2012, 04:40:24 pm »

On the contrary, it appears the WinterFresh is doing the physical potions.

Sorry, I meant - it appears that WinterFresh is doing the physical healing.
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« Reply #1327 on: March 23, 2012, 04:52:14 pm »

No, I just checked the emails, I casted the physical one on winter, and the magical one on you. I just double checked.
This does not add up, as that role description is very obviously physical. I guess we just found a mafia? Either way I'm no extremely skeptical of Igor's results and his allegiances. I will try to get on again before deadline, but I cant be sure that I can. but I think at this point that blunder was enough for me to say
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« Reply #1328 on: March 23, 2012, 05:01:58 pm »

IF you have only one investigation IgorS, how can you use it twice even if someone else is giving you a 2nd chance, you used your first time and therefore you can't do it a 2nd time.

Look at the vote chart alltogehter ... not at one exception ... this argumentation you all bring up about one voting is just nosense, the pattern comes from all voting decisions not only from 1 single one.

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« Reply #1329 on: March 23, 2012, 05:05:51 pm »

Mopok, Baby Behemoth, is banished from monastery.
Mopok: Winter, Dervun, valli, Faun
1 F2: IgorS

I mean if I look at those vote patterns, then it's highly possible that Pizlo and IgorS are both BBB.

I like how you added mysterious "1 F2: IgorS" there. The more confusion the better? I never voted anything that day, so that's at most "F3", and not even that. Also I was not the only one who did not vote.


He quoted from me. I quoted the votes only for the alive ones at that time. The "1 F2: IgorS" means that someone who is now dead voted on you. The only confused person here is the one who skims the posts. Tongue


I am unwilling to trust the vote patterns anymore after what happened with mopok.

And Dervun, there is a Spire Gardener role with no "Human" before the role. So I wouldn't call that a proof.

It's kinda funny though how pizlo turned his back on IgorS. Was just about to F2 IgorS but not anymore now lol.

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« Reply #1330 on: March 23, 2012, 05:06:53 pm »

IF you have only one investigation IgorS, how can you use it twice even if someone else is giving you a 2nd chance, you used your first time and therefore you can't do it a 2nd time.

I could use one NTA twice, the effect doubled my potency. I could choose an action and do it on two targets, not choose two actions independently.
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« Reply #1331 on: March 23, 2012, 05:12:33 pm »

He quoted from me. I quoted the votes only for the alive ones at that time. The "1 F2: IgorS" means that someone who is now dead voted on you. The only confused person here is the one who skims the posts. Tongue

Actually I didn't quote mopok from you, because that was after your vote pattern post Wink
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« Reply #1332 on: March 23, 2012, 05:14:12 pm »

F1 IgorS
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« Reply #1333 on: March 23, 2012, 05:14:52 pm »

Mopok, Baby Behemoth, is banished from monastery.
Mopok: Winter, Dervun, valli, Faun
1 F2: IgorS

I mean if I look at those vote patterns, then it's highly possible that Pizlo and IgorS are both BBB.

I like how you added mysterious "1 F2: IgorS" there. The more confusion the better? I never voted anything that day, so that's at most "F3", and not even that. Also I was not the only one who did not vote.


He quoted from me. I quoted the votes only for the alive ones at that time. The "1 F2: IgorS" means that someone who is now dead voted on you. The only confused person here is the one who skims the posts. Tongue


If anyone is skimming the posts that's you. Show me the particular post where I casted or received... F2?
Neither the original "1 F2: IgorS" from valli is comprehensible, neither is your explanation.
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« Reply #1334 on: March 23, 2012, 05:33:40 pm »

"Had a good run" he thought. "12 victims so far - that should count for something." IgorS was contemplating his (literally) last campaign against the inferior beasts whose blood he vowed to spill at every chance he got. And he got plenty. Some of them wasted but what can you do... Perhaps his name will be remembered by the humans, if the remaining Band members will carry out their mission. As for him, here, deep into the forest, nobody is going to hear him scream, when his energy runs out eventually, along with the life of the hundredth savage animal he is going to kill defending himself.

IgorS, BBB Warrior Monk, is banished from the monastery.

It's NIGHT 10, until Saturday, March 24th, 21:00 GMT. Please send in the targets.
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